WHY?

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I have a simple question …

WHY do people believe the stories about Jesus? 

Think about this:

  • They were written over two-thousand years ago.
  • There is no validation (proof) that any of the events related to him actually happened.
  • He supposedly performed acts that are, for all intents and purposes, impossible.
  • He did not fulfill the description of  the Jewish Messiah as foretold in the Hebrew writings.
  • There is no cogent evidence that he is still alive.
  • The presumption that he will return to this world in the nebulous future are (quite frankly) absurd.

Personally, I think part of the reason many people “believe” in this biblical character is related to:

  1. Fear of dying.
  2. Gullibility to what others have told them.
  3. Lack of in-depth understanding of the bible contents.
  4. Contrived insecurity.

Although I was once a “believer” in this aforementioned Hebrew preacher with (reported) special abilities and powers, the time came when my mind could no longer wrap itself around the fantastical tales spun in the bible … especially when they were manipulated and misrepresented by (compensated) individuals whose motives (more often than not) were less than honorable.

It is incomprehensible to me that folks spend years of their life studying and reading books written by apologists and religious scholars simply to reinforce their belief that this first-century itinerant Jewish preacher actually existed and is going to make a second appearance and turn this entire world into a “paradise.”

Unfortunately, as I consider the unprecedented numbers of naïve individuals who actually believe in the unverified and unsubstantiated tales of a once-dead/now-alive “savior,” I am quite sure my “Why” question will never be satisfactorily answered.

128 thoughts on “WHY?”

  1. I think that a big piece of it is that people were told it was true by the people that they trusted when they were children. They were taught that believing this nonsense was necessary to be a good person. And those teachers aren’t really that much to blame either, because the same thing was pounded into their heads when they were small. Vicious cycle.

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  3. Perhaps it’s just laziness. People like answers but couldn’t be bothered thinking of them on their own. So why not just grab one that’s been pre-packaged? Never mind that it makes no sense – if God wanted you to make sense of it he would have explained it better. Just accept it and stop asking awkward questions. If you pretend to believe it even God will be fooled.
    Once you’ve signed on the dotted line you can pop the bible back on the shelf and forget about the whole thing and focus on the fun stuff like coveting your neighbours wife and bearing false witness.

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  4. I agree! Why believe in Jesus as God when, the Quran clearly tells us he isn’t?! Crazy!! And we all know everything in the Quran is true because the Quran tells us it is not to be doubted. Ever. What more does one need to see reality!!

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  5. Relationship. I’m drawn to an honest, every day relationship with him. He’s like a deep breath. I’m relaxed being me- look at his bumbling disciples- he didn’t give up on them.

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    • I have the EXACT same intimate relationship with Sasquatch Arnold. Sorry, your answer will just NEVER be a legitimate reason/answer. You MUST come up with something a LOT MORE objective, more worldly, more believable. Period.

      Wish you the best. 🙂

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        • But, Arnold, you continue to make the same pronouncements even though most all of us already know what you feel/believe/think. So it WOULD seem you are “out to convince” folks.

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        • Then Arnold, you are DISOBEYING Matthew 28:19-20. Look it up. If you need many more Yeshua/God Commissions for you, then let me know. I can provide TONS of biblical passages and doctrines… unless of course you think the Gospels and the Greco-Roman New Testament are totally bogus. 😁 😉

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          • There’s a Rabbinical parable that you probably know, that helps understand the giving of the Torah, the Divine law-
            A king gave his 2 servants each some wheat and flax. The wise servant ground and baked the wheat and spun the flax into cloth and covered the fresh bread. The foolish servant did nothing.
            To me the Bible is likewise raw material, best understood and known in a working relationship with God, via the Christ.

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          • IT tells me to take over where Jesus left off: teaching and making disciples via my born-of-God relationship with him: “I am always with you.”

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          • And yet you stated above/below this…

            I’m not out to convince anyone Prof.

            So… it stands to reason then that YOU ARE out to convince others/everyone of YOUR personal intimate relationship with Yeshua, which YOU believe is eternal truth… are you not? 🙂

            And so if the above is true, you just lied to me. 😉

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          • ‘I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man.’ ) Hey, I’d rather that the gospel story stand alone, without any convincing. That the telling of it be as an alarm rather than an argument- Christ said this and that, believe it and live it, or not.

            And that’s my personality difference with Paul- he argues points almost desperately, emotionally, exhaustively. As you probably know that’s not me, nor am I educated to his (or your) degree. I think God is flexible on stuff like that.

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          • Arnold, not to belabor the/my point, BUT… you explicitly stated:

            I’m not out to convince anyone Prof.

            And minutes later (or in 1-2 replies) you at least IMPLIED that you do just that: I am out to convince people as Matthew 28: 19-20 commissions me to do by stating this:

            …[go out] teaching and making disciples…

            followed by this:

            That the telling of it be as an alarm rather than an argument…

            which really does sound like you want to convince people (via God’s voice, spirit, and/or scriptures thru you 🥴 ) of your own very specific, highly subjective interpretations and beliefs of YOUR personal esoteric world-view. Otherwise—and this is where I chuckle in comedic confusion—you wouldn’t always be sharing here on Nan’s blog, my blog, many other blogs that are owned and managed by non-Christians… UNLESS ‘you want to convince people!’ 😄

            With cuddly respect Arnold, you are a typing contradiction. 😉❤️

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    • Good for you Arnold. So you are saying, are you not, that you believe because the act of believing makes you feel good and so, logically, the act of not believing would make you feel not so good? Believing is thus a form of self-care.
      It’s as good a reason as any, I’d say, and actually renders matters of truth superfluous.

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  8. Another reason to remain a Christian: it’s part of your identity. In a small community, your fundamentalist Christianity might be one of the top components of your identity. It’s your security badge, and you won’t get in anymore if you stop being a Christian.

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      • exactly. And the club rules are pretty clear, there’s even ten of ’em.
        Most religions are founded on fear, acceptance, and congregation.

        We love stories. From the smallest child on up, stories fuel us, guide us into better behavior, and warn of terrible things if we make mistakes. Somewhere along the line the stories became Important, and a god was created to explain the unexplainable.

        I think we’re moving away from religions, although that may not be a good thing. At the very least, a belief in a higher power kept us from butchering people (at least without a reason), from chaos and truly destructive behaviors. They had rules to be followed, and you either followed them, or you were out.
        Sadly (in a way) without the strictures and structure of an organized religion to lean on, many people have no sense of right or wrong, the stuff we’ve learned to carry with us. We may not have evolved enough (as a culture) to be able to own that personal compass. At least not yet.

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        • I’m not as pessimistic about it as you, Judy. I think most people actually do have a reasonable sense of right and wrong but not the courage to take ownership of it. So they pass on that responsibility to God.
          It’s not as if anyone was really shocked with the rules that Moses plonked in front of them. It’s not as if they didn’t already know (“Thou shall not steal? Really??? I never would have thought of that!”).

          One question that troubles me, and I would put to all believers is, ‘If it could be proved unequivocally that God did not exist then would your moral behaviour change?”
          Answering Yes suggests that you are personally morally bankrupt and answering No suggests that God actually serves no purpose other than the purely symbolic – you ARE God, in other words.

          Sorry, Nan, am I drifting off topic?

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        • Kept us from butchering people? But that’s exactly what religion has done..Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, witch burning, lynching blacks, the holocaust in Germany and wars all through history.

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    • Not even close to being “good enough”. I have family members that don’t speak to me because I renounced the ridiculous mythology we call religion, specifically Christianity. (The unmitigated gall! It is I who should not be speaking to THEM for filling my infantile and adolescent head with complete and utter BULLSHYTE!) And, I must say in my defense, I gave it a good try. Endured the tortures and guilt-ridden rote lectures of Catholicism for the early and developmental years of my life. Great start. When I came upon the realization that Catholicism is nothing more than a Ponzi scheme – the best Ponzi scheme EVER, at that – I moved to become “born again”. Strike Two. Yeah, absolutely no difference in the nonsense you’re expected to believe. Sans saints, Holy Mother, transubstantiation, and a few other magical interludes but mostly the same ole, same ole. Virgin birth, miracles, resurrection, et al. After a while I discovered textual criticism, exegesis, the whole movement of biblical criticism going back to the 1600’s and “Voila!” It came apart in my hands like sand as it will in yours unless you fell compelled to fight reason and rationale with even more additional magical thinking like the “holy spirit” or “god entered their hearts” or some such nonsense. Happens all the time. Just add even more ridiculous mythology to answer the questions you have about your current mythology and you’re all set! Just can’t let go of the rocks and see where the current takes you….

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  9. They want to believe. Doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. I believe my dogs loved me, but did they really or just want me to feed them and pay attention to them. Is that love? But it makes me feel good to believe they did.

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    • No disagreement, but we have a bin for supernatural stories. We’ve seen countless examples before. Why should Christianity be cataloged differently in the library when its holy book looks pretty much like all the others?

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    • I’ve always felt that all of us are born with our own moral compass. The one that sits on your shoulder and says, “no no. Don’t DO that…” It’s built in, like having blue eyes, and you only get part of the entire collection. There are people who could not kill anything but they’d lie without blinking about thieving, because they think shoplifting doesn’t bother them.
      Everybody is different. I am a TERRIBLE liar, but stealing is so not a part of me it’s scary.

      Dogs, by the way, aren’t emotionally sophisticated enough to be that subtle. If they like you, you KNOW. If they don’t, you know that too. As complex as they are, some are one-person dogs, and some love the entire world.

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      • Yes like that moral code is almost in the DNA and stronger in some. Early childhood is trauma involved too, I think, but not all

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  10. In England, Christianity is in serious decline. Churches are closing, or limiting opening hours, and the main churches that are still popular are the ‘Gospel’- style evangelical type of independent churches that mainly attract immigrant communities and the decendants of African and West Indian people who came here in the 1950s.
    Even church weddings are rare now, with other venues being licensed to perform the ceremonies, and very few people have a minister of any faith at funerals these days. When you see ceremonies like the funeral of the Queen, or the recent coronation, that is when a lot of focus is on religion in this country. But that is not mirrored in the opinions and behaviour of most of the general public.
    The two most attended religions here now are Muslim and Jewish. Their communities are still very strong.
    Best wishes, Pete.

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    • In a way it’s like a big circle: if you believe in a god, it’s because he exists because you were taught he did.
      by nature we are violent, angry, greedy critters, and needed the strictures of a Higher Power to control us and keep us from eliminating our species entirely.

      It does feel as if we are moving away from those strictures, and have been for decades. We’re now at the point where those stunning pieces of architecture are hardly used, and at some point we have to decide what to do with those amazing cathedrals that cost so much to build and so much to maintain…

      And very few people are born knowing about right or wrong. We learn from other people.

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      • I disagree that by nature we are the negative things you mentioned, Judy. Yes, SOME people fit that description to a “T”, but not as a whole. I’m more of the opinion that humans are social creatures and, at our core, we want to get along with each other. In many (most?) cases, it’s outside influences that we allow to change our thinking.

        Moreover, consider what happens after disasters … people help other people. They don’t let prejudices and biases get in the way.

        However, having said all that, I DO think religion plays a role in creating negative environments and putting up fences between people.

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  11. The longer I lived and the more I observed, the clearer it became to me that man had progressed very little beyond his earlier savage state. After twenty million years or so of human life on this Earth, the lot of most men and women is, as Hobbes said, “nasty, brutish, and short.” Civilization is a thin veneer. It is so easily and continually eroded or cracked, leaving human beings exposed for what they are: savages.”

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    • I disagree with Hobbes in that I don’t feel that women overall are “nasty, brutish, and short.” Yes, they can be, but I don’t feel this is in their core nature. As a general rule, women are not out to “conquer” — they are more inclined to aid and assist and mend fences.

      In fact, I find it difficult to assume such an overall negative image about human life as Hobbs does.

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      • Ha! You are right…I copied it..must be a misprint and meant to say 2 million. I didn’t catch that. Glad you did

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      • Humans first evolved in Africa, and much of human evolution occurred on that continent. The fossils of early humans who lived between 6 and 2 million years ago come entirely from Africa.

        From The Smithsonian

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  12. Re “Personally, I think part of the reason many people “believe” in this biblical character is related to: Fear of dying.”

    This I find strange. I am long of tooth and will die soon. I am not afraid of death, aka being dead, but I do have a bit of a fear of dying, the act of becoming dead. (Allergic to pain I am)

    But, these Christians. To get their “reward” they have to die, no? So, a fear of dying is irrelevant to their beliefs. Either-or and you will be dying. If you are an unbeliever, you will be then dead and unaware of not awakening to a new life, no?

    So, the “fear of dying” cannot be a reason for the bizarre beliefs Christians hold.

    Possibly it is the fear of no longer being “special” (their greatest expressed need)? Once you are dead, parked in Heaven, Hell, or nowhere you are no longer special, right? That must be a massive hit to their egos.

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    • Disagree. No matter how deeply ingrained the religious belief that there is “paradise on the other side,” the very fact that NO ONE knows for sure is reason enough to harbor at least some fear of dying. IMO, the only time this fear isn’t present is when a person who is under DEEP sedation dies. I simply cannot accept that even the most devoted among the religious do not feel pangs of fear on their deathbed.

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      • ditto.
        but my fear is decrepitude. My mother is deep into dementia at 91 as well as suffering from a serious fall related brain trauma. I see her…existence..as my terrifying future. Even if she is not really conscious enough to be bothered by it???

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        • Joel Anderson should pop over to this post and have a chat with some of you ex believers!
          I predict it would be a very lively discussion!
          Go on, Nan, extend the man an invitation.
          😂

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        • Even more than dementia, I fear a stroke that effects your body..makes you disabled, perhaps bedridden, but your mind is fine..trapped in a non working body. That would be worse I think. With dementia they are somewhat oblivious to it all.

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      • I agree..If there is any brain at work at all, there is always some fear of the unknown..some deep hidden doubt of what really happens. They won’t admit it, but there is maybe even unknown to them, but it’s in their subconscious for sure.

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    • I am not a linguist, and can’t speak for other languages, but I find it interesting that we term it ‘BEING dead’ or ‘he IS dead’ as though death was an alternative state of being rather than the state of NOT being. It’s a concept that we find difficult to make sense of when applied to ourselves (you literally cannot imagine being dead) and whatever we don’t understand we fear.
      We don’t really have a concept of what ‘nothing’ is, so we need to create euphemisms to describe it. Gods have always been euphemisms for one thing or another.
      Eros is a particular personal favourite.

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    • Perhaps it can be both at the same time? Fear of not being special (ego) and thus, fear of death. Dead. And for those with grandiose ego, dead means loss of control (their specialness) after they’re gone. Which for the most part scares the hell out of them. :/

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  13. In America (not sure why), if a person does not believe this stuff (Jews, non-Christians, agnostics, and atheists), you can be very sure they do not.

    However, if they say they do believe it, it is very possible they do not. They may be lying for a lot of reasons. Furthermore, “we” have a tendency to assume Christian unless evidence is contrary to that.

    Also, Jesus is portrayed as the good guy, the victim, the Lord and Savior. It is all good stuff. Love thy neighbor, treat people well, life after death. It is all good stuff and he’ll send your ass to hell if you do not believe. 🙂

    But what do I know? I’m hard core atheist. No Father, no Son, no Holy Ghost.

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  14. There is a missing factor in all this: wanting to belong to a particular community or “tribe”, and being ready to subscribe to the core mythology of that “tribe”. Whether the mythology is literally true or makes sense from a rational perspective is secondary. Of course, if you have a rational or scientific sort of mindset as well, this is bound to come into conflict with such beliefs, especially if they become important to you in some way.

    There is also the need to search for some deeper meaning to existence (beyond the biological imperatives to survive and reproduce, perhaps), the old “why?” question. And one might find comfort in something that provides answers.

    These were probably my main reasons for holding onto the Christian faith for so long.

    Also not simply fear of death but the fear of what might come after death. Christianity is good at instilling potential fears of hell and eternal damnation as a need for us hopelessly tarnished sinners to need be saved from by Jesus.

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      • and that basic fear makes me react “ even if it is true it is evil, wicked, monstrous”. Especially given the slobbering joy many Christians predict for us. Creepy creepycreepy

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  15. At this point in my journey, though no longer a believer in Jesus, I suppose I look at it all in a human way, in that “belief” will never be absent from the human experience. And, if one believes in Jesus, why not?

    My mother (a conspiracy theorist of the highest order of the 9th degree and Neptune) once yelled at me and told me I never believed in the story of Noah and the Ark. I calmly told her I did, to which she retorted: “You did not!” (Mom has a narcissistic personality and to have a child admit openly to believing such a thing looked bad on her.” I then replied that I did indeed believe it and she loudly said: “Why?!” I simply said: “No one ever told me different.” That silenced her. Perhaps I should have responded with: Why not?

    It’s amazing to me that she’s full-on QAnon, The Great Awakening, New Age Jesus with a shake of The Golden Age of Gaia seasoning and a whole lot of evil cabal, reptilian sauce . . . and I’m to the point of saying, “Why not?”

    It seems that facts are only facts to the believer.

    It seems people are comforted by all manner of belief.

    It seems that personality might have something to do with it.

    It seems without said Jesus, people don’t feel safe.

    If it is not true, well, why not? None of us go to heaven. None of us go to hell. We get life. Then it ends. Meaning is in the living and for some, in the dying.

    I think of all the people I have been with during their dying journey. Some of it I was a born-again Christian. Some I was an agnostic. Some a full-blown atheist. No one would tell the difference. If you needed comfort . . . I gave it.

    Hi Nan. 🙂

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    • Hi Zoe! ALWAYS nice to have you stop by and share your insights. BTW, I tend to agree with the reasons you offered. I think they all play a role. For some more than others.

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    • Well stated, Zoe! “Of course” we believe Noah’s and all the other fairy tales, however absurd they might be. Who told them to us? Weren’t they our (grand)parents, other relatives, teachers? So, not believing them would have been absurd. Besides, when does one really get the meaning of absurdity?
      Belief in itself is (almost?) unavoidable; it is up to the believer to either find comfort therein, or to think for themselves.
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      • My grandmother sat with me at her piano, encouraging me to learn the hymns in the hymnal. The first was What A Friend We Have In Jesus.

        “What a friend we have in Jesus
        All our sins and griefs to bear . . . ”

        I suspect that like me, Jesus was a friend to her and it wasn’t so much about our sins as it was our grief.

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  16. I think people believe in Jesus because they’re Fng cowards. They don’t have the moral ability to stand on their own two feet, to make ethical decisions on their own, to figure out how life works without referring to an outside source … the bible, their priest, their higher power, whatever. It makes them “feel” good to have Jesus on their side. Hey, it’s all good, whatever, but it doesn’t change the fact that they’re Fng cowards & that’s the beginning & the end of it.

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  17. Indoctrination combined with the belief of serious consequences if they believed otherwise would probably explain most of it. Another problem is that the Gospels were written several decades after the events supposedly happened. Imagine if the accounts of WW2 were only being documented now, how reliable would they be?

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  18. Not only that, but during the Dark Ages scribes and Monks recorded the bible, and here and there an inkblot may have changed things: it has been noted that the “burning bush” was actually a real plant that bursts into flames (and by it’s own self) when temperatures reach a certain level. Moses got the credit for that one.
    And there was a nearby shallow sea called the “Reed Sea” that regularly dried up, and how convenient to add a bit more sauce to Moses by having him part the RedSea instead…

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  20. I have asked the same question since the sixth grade. Nothing about the bible made sense to me. And if Jesus rose on the third day, what did he do with the rest of his life? When did he die? Or am I to believe he is still alive somewhere. But it buggers the same question: what has he been doing since the first Easter. No one ever asks that.

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    • Jesus didn’t “die” in the conventional sense; he ASCENDED into heaven ala Elijah and Elisha, and Ezra I believe as well. Of course this is all mythology however that is how they explain his ascension. Your other question however is equally pertinent: where is he? Up in the sky? remember in one of Paul’s letters “this of us who are not asleep (dead) will be lifted up to meet the lord in the air.” This was his expectation that the eschaton would take place during his own lifetime. But where exactly were they heading to “up in the air”? This reminds me of the sort of childish idea that heaven is, in fact, up in the air somewhere.

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        • That’s if he actually made it into a tomb which I seriously doubt. The entire “Joseph of Arimathea” episode is an obvious writing device to get him into a tomb so he can be resurrected. I don’t believe Pilate would have allowed him to be taken down ever; he would have rotted on the cross until his bones literally fell to the ground. Taking him down would have defeated the entire point of crucifixion, especially a known “trouble maker” during one of the most perilous religious events of the times, Passover. There’s so much wrong with the story it just can’t be historical.

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          • I don’t consider anything in the bible as accurate or historical. It’s the ramblings of various religious zealots eager to control the ignorant populace. Sort of like what trump did.

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          • Sorry, this comes across as Theo-babble.
            How does the tale of a first century human sacrifice coming back from the dead make a difference to your life?

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          • Understood.
            Not a human sacrifice- it was God in a man’s body.
            And I live looking him in the eye, through all my trials and errors. I can’t see a big difference except I’m always tuned into him.

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          • Not a human sacrifice?
            Err…. yes it was.
            The character Jesus of Nazareth is considered by Christians to be fully Yahweh and fully human.
            Ergo… a human sacrifice.

            So how does believing in a human sacrifice – or worshipping one for that matter – make a positive difference to your life?

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          • Not a human sacrifice. See Isaac not sacrificed: ‘God will provide a lamb.’

            Positive difference? Per Jesus Christ I aim to do God’s will, see people through his eyes, ‘take care of widows and orphans etc.’

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          • Yes, a human sacrifice.
            In lieu of the scapegoat, god sent his only son.
            It’s in the bible. Have you read it?
            And why do you need to believe in Yahweh/ Jesus of Nazareth to be a decent human being?

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          • You want God demanding a human sacrifice? Here you go: “So I gave them other statutes that were not good and laws through which they could not live; I defiled them through their gifts—the sacrifice of every firstborn—that I might fill them with horror so they would know that I am Jehovah” (Ez. 20:25–6).

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          • Just read your ‘believe’ post.
            So, like most Westerners you grew up in a Christian oriented environment and were, to a degree, indoctrinated at the knee ( your reference to fear-based belief) .
            Later in life when the going got tough you fell back on this Indoctrination in the belief that as a ‘sinner’ you needed salvation via the blood of the human sacrifice which you have convinced yourself is your ticket to enter heaven.

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  22. Nan, have you ever posted, “Why did Jesus need to die and rise again?” Because for me, bypassing the logistics of HOW he did so and the introversion of WHY I believe so lands me direct on the threshold of belief. I think it would make an interesting post.

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    • I actually have asked myself that question many times. If it was to forgive the sins of mankind or humanity, what purpose did it serve? Did people stop sinning? Who exactly was saved for his sacrifice and why was the sacrificial taking of a human being’s life necessary? I can’t seem to answer this question.

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      • I don’t know the full logistics of the cross and sin etc- I’m working on it. To me the bottom-line purpose is to bring us back to a relationship; to put the life of God in people (that will receive him). Mostly we don’t want God around- we like our freedom.

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    • I may take you up on your suggestion, Arnold. However, it seems “some” people have already jumped in and started a “discussion” before I have even had a chance to think about it. 😠

      Unfortunately, due to the time zone I live in, comments are often added to my posts before I even get up and start my computer! sigh

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