Alternate Viewpoints

Recently a conversation took place on Scottie’s blog that I felt was worth sharing. I decided not to do a “reblog” because I primarily wanted to focus on a conversation between Scottie and one of his readers related to his post.

The topic was a common one on Scottie’s blog … sexual identification … and he had included a copy of an article from lgbtqnation.com.

In response, an individual who used the tag, ROBINDD4L. offered this comment:

I agree homosexuality has always been around and it’s why it’s referred to as an abomination in the Bible. God says it’s a sin and we’re given the reason as to why He calls it this. What is new, however, is the transgender and homosexuality push to teach this ideology in the schools. And, YES, they are trying to teach it. Where the problem comes in is when the LGBQT community tries to force THEIR views onto the conservative family. Christian families want nothing to do with this ideology. We don’t want it in our schools, in our businesses, in our churches or in our families. Now that doesn’t mean we would be ugly or rude to someone just because they’re gay, no, because that wouldn’t be right. It just means we believe what the Bible teaches and the Bible is quiet clear, those whose practice this sin, will die in it. Whether you believe in God or not doesn’t change this simple fact.

This was Scottie’s response … which I thought was excellent. It was very thorough and very well well-thought-out. He hit all the important points, yet never censored the individual or made any rude comments:

I read your comment and pondered if you are just a misinformed true believer or a troll. Not that it matters. I could explain to you that what that verse the abomination really referred to was temple boys being used by men for sex in some faiths, I could explain that it doesn’t matter what is or is not a sin as this is not a theocracy, never was intended to be, and so far it is not now. None of that really matters to what you seem most misinformed on. Let’s talk about that.

What you take as teachers pushing an ideology is that you somehow have lost track of the last 50 years, and the idea that you as a Christians won’t tolerate it in your communities, your schools, your families … is you are not everyone! The rest of us get a say in the PUBLIC and in PUBLIC schools. Your family is your business, but the rest of us have families and views also that don’t agree with yours. Look up the polls Robin. Times have changed. Get out of your bubble. The majority of people are accepting of gay people, same sex marriage, and yes also the trans community.

Here is what you don’t get. You think that not allowing you to oppress the LGBTQI+ means you’re being persecuted. Wrong. It doesn’t matter if you accept it or not, but the medical science and data is in. People are born gay; people are born with a different gender identification than they are assigned at birth. Look at the graphs on the side bar of this blog to understand the scientific data! Your religious views don’t matter, your knowledge is based on what people knew 2,500 years ago. This is 2022, we know and understand a lot more now.

It is not your school; it is the public school. And the public disagrees with you. You don’t want tolerance and acceptance taught in your schools to your kids, don’t send them to public schools. Simple. See what you are demanding is the rest of us live by your church rules, your religious views. No sorry we don’t have to. You want to fine. Don’t agree with gay sex, don’t have any. Don’t believe in transgender, don’t transition. Don’t want same sex marriage then don’t get married to someone of the same sex. But you have no right to stop anyone else from living the life they were born to live. The rest of us have rights also. We have the right to live equally in the US democracy. Not Theocracy, Democracy.

We know and understand that people are born LGBTQI+. Including the two that seem most mentioned the trans and the gays. Born that way. They have the right to have a full and open life just as people born cis or straight. Religion is a choice but being LGBTQI+ is not, you are born LGBTQI+. Society understands that now. We have learned and advanced tolerance and acceptance. What you call pushing ideology in schools is actually simply requiring tolerance and acceptance of diversity or difference. Just as no kid should be bullied or picked on for wearing a cross no kid should be picked on for wearing a pride / trans flag. Just as no kid should be bullied for reading the bible, no kid should be bullied for reading a book with gay or trans characters or subjects. That is what you are so afraid of, tolerance and acceptance. You want to indoctrinate what you believe is the only way, only good. It doesn’t work that way. Society has moved on.

On last thing, you talk about sin and those who practice this sin will die. Yes they will, eventually. Guess what, so will you. No joke, you are going to die also. Also this line was funny Whether you believe in God or not doesn’t change this simple fact. You still don’t get it. Your god doesn’t matter. Not to me. Not to the majority of the people in the US. Your god doesn’t set the laws nor the standards in a democracy. The US is a democracy. Here is the key, your god matters to you and in our country you have the right to worship that god yourself for yourself. You do not have the right to force me or anyone else to follow your god. We are tolerance of you. We insist you also be tolerant of us. That is what makes a civil society.

So now let’s consider the topic itself. What do you think? Did ROBINDD4L have a point? Or do you agree with Scottie? 
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Texas … Be Gone!

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In Heather’s latest newsletter, she included the “platform planks” the Texas Republican Party approved at their recent convention. I know many of you already read her newsletter, but for those who don’t, I feel strongly that people need to be aware of how the Republicans of this state sees themselves and their ultimate destiny.

Quite frankly, I would have no problem with the State of Texas becoming the “independent nation” put forth at the end of this statement. From my perspective, based on their goals, they are a pariah to America’s founding principles.

[D]elegates to a convention of the Texas Republican Party today approved platform planks rejecting “the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and [holding] that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States”; requiring students “to learn about the dignity of the preborn human,” including that life begins at fertilization; treating homosexuality as “an abnormal lifestyle choice”; locking the number of Supreme Court justices at 9; getting rid of the constitutional power to levy income taxes; abolishing the Federal Reserve; rejecting the Equal Rights Amendment; returning Christianity to schools and government; ending all gun safety measures; abolishing the Department of Education; arming teachers; requiring colleges to teach “free-market liberty principles”; defending capital punishment; dictating the ways in which the events at the Alamo are remembered; protecting Confederate monuments; ending gay marriage; withdrawing from the United Nations and the World Health Organization; and calling for a vote “for the people of Texas to determine whether or not the State of Texas should reassert its status as an independent nation.”

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SCOTUS, Tony Perkins, and Gay Marriage

Referring readers to yet another article that rankles my bones …

Quote by Tony Perkins, president of the conservative Family Research Council:

“The court is not going to settle this issue. In fact, I think it does a disservice to both sides if the court weighs in on public policy like this,” said Perkins on CBS’ “Face the Nation” on Sunday. “The courts are designed to interpret the constitution and the constitutionality of the laws, not create public policy. When they do that, they create division and they erect barriers to reaching consensus on public policy like this.”

He’s talking about the Supreme Court’s upcoming decision on the gay marriage issue.

I can’t help but wonder if SCOTUS was considering the establishment of prayer and bible reading in public schools if Perkins would consider it a “disservice” for them to weigh in on “public policy.”

The Same-Sex Wedding Cake Squabble

Our local newspaper posted this on Facebook and asked for comments:

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The owners of an Oregon bakery might have to pay up to $150,000 to a same-sex couple after refusing to sell them a wedding cake.

The bakery owners said they refused to sell the same-sex couple a cake because it went against their Christian beliefs.

The original article can be found here.

Living in a more conservative part of the state, I wasn’t too surprised to find comments that went along the lines of the following:

  • I hate the fact that this life style is being forced upon us as if they should be entitled to more than the average person. I say no cake for you now be gone.
  • I thought there was a right to refuse service ? Aren’t there other bakeries this couple could have gone to ? If someone doesn’t want to serve me or have my business I’m going elsewhere.
  • What about ‘hate’ I’m a Christian also……but Jesus ask us to Love everyone? Let God deal with the gay couple….just be nice and treat them fair as a Christian should. ….it’s the love and forgiveness that draws us to God. ….we should all be showing that. ….
    Response to this comment: Being a Christian does not mean rolling over for attacks on your faith!
  • It may be against their beliefs to do stuff like that for one. And 2 if you read the Bible. Same sex marriage and sexual relationships are also a sin. That’s part of this country’s problem. If a person doesn’t get their way they sue them.
  • What ever happened to “we have the right to refuse”. This couple needs to suck it up and go elsewhere.
  • So if I refuse to serve a pedifiler I’m going to get sued????
  • Gays are all going to Haitis they don’t belong here read your bible people thats why this country is soon coming to an end. Gay sex is y and if they choose not to make a gay cake it’s up to them. You dont get to buy a car with bad credit does this mean you can now file suite against the banks and auto industry? Gays have way to many rights and think the world owes them 40 acres and a donky slong get over it bake your own cake you gay anyways.
  • Where the right to practice your faith? This country was founded on Christian beliefs of our founding fathers. Morals have gone to hell in this country. I would refuse service as well. They can go elsewhere. I wish the gays would quit shoving their immoral sick crap down every ones throat!!!!!! The decent people are sick of it!!!!! The good Christians of the world need to pray hard for these people.

There were several dozen more but, well, you get the idea.

And then there was this one — which I thought was especially apropos:  [This] “lifestyle” isn’t being forced upon you. Don’t like gay marriage? Don’t get one.

I actually thought the individual that wrote the one about letting God deal with it had her head on straight. But based on the other comments, she’s a rarity.


I found the following on LegalMatch.com:

Can a Restaurant Be Sued for Refusing Service to a Customer?

In most cases, a business is allowed to refuse service to patrons and customers. This is usually allowed if the customer is being disruptive, uncooperative, or is violating business laws or health codes.

However, there are certain instances when a restaurant might be sued for refusing service to a customer. These include situations like:

  • There is no discernable reason for the refusal, and the refusal caused the customer to experience financial loss or injury
  • The refusal of service violated the customer’s equal protection rights
  • The refusal of service violated terms of the Americans with Disabilities Act
  • There was a breach of contract between the business and the customer

 

Religion in Politics – The Ongoing Battle

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The following is the introduction to an article written by Rev. Howard Bess on ConsortiumNews.com:

Though the United States has a tradition of separating church and state, the 2012 presidential campaign may test the limits of that tolerance. Not only do some Republicans continue to question Barack Obama’s Christianity, but GOP front-runner Mitt Romney is a Mormon and other contenders, such as Sarah Palin, are Christian fundamentalists.

In my opinion (and I don’t think I’m alone in this), politics and religion do not mix! Religion (worship of one’s god in whatever form desired) belongs in a church, temple, or other religious edifice. It DOES NOT belong in politics. NO person, no matter what their faith or political affiliation, has the right to push their particular theology onto the American people.

Issues such as pro-life (anti-abortion), gay marriage, family values, or any other moral concern are individual matters and should NEVER be part of politics. Good grief! Every person that votes is considered an adult — and adults can think for themselves. We don’t need or want someone else forcing us to live according to their beliefs.

I admit, I used to be very conservative in my beliefs and strongly supported “born again” presidents such as Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, and George W. Bush for their unwavering stand for Christianity. But I’ve changed. I guess I became an adult.

Contrary to what many, many people believe, this country is not a “Christian Nation” (see this article). Even though Fundamentalist Christians would like the American public to believe the so-called founding fathers intended to establish this country on “biblical principles,” history simply does not support this view. The original leaders of our nation were not Bible-believing Christians; they were Deists.

An individual (docfloss) contributed what I believe was a very thoughtful comment to the article by Rev. Bess (referenced at the beginning of this posting). I urge you to read it.