Abortion vs. Vasectomy

Recently on Scottie’s blog, he included a news article related to a So. Carolina anti-abortion bill that had been approved and was due to be signed by the Governor. However, before the measure had passed, a bipartisan group of five women lawmakers in the state Senate banded together to try and stop the bill. (Is anyone surprised that they were not successful?)

From my perspective, however, it was not so much what happened to the bill itself as it was the social media remarks that Scottie shared at the end of his post. I’ve included them here — minus the individuals’ names — because I found them so spot-on.


If you’re a man, who isn’t a physician, you likely know diddly about women’s reproductive system. Women have ALWAYS carried the total responsibility of contraception, pregnancy and all that goes with it, yet it is primarily men making these arbitrary laws governing what women can and cannot do with our bodies, while they accept zero responsibility for the circumstance. All I have to say is, straight men better pray to their Jesus that women never rule because when it happens vasectomy, at the request of the woman, will become LAW. SNIP, SNIP mother Fuckers. Sorry.

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If they are going to pass laws prohibiting abortion, I have no problems with a law that requires vasectomy for all men over the age of 16. You can reverse it only upon proof of marriage, and a signed statement from your wife that you are ready and able to raise children. You will have to prove you have the income or assets to provide for your children, and the mental stability etc just like people have to prove for adoption.

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Men never understand how difficult and dangerous contraceptive medications are for women. The pills are difficult to manage and are not 100% effective. They also pose risks of breast and uterine cancer and the devices pose risks of infection, sterilization and tubal pregnancy. Women’s choices for contraception all carry significant risks, including invasive surgical procedures. For men a vasectomy is a fast, in office procedure, with minimal risk and usually reversible. But, men don’t want to be bothered or have their potency jeopardized, it’s preferable to let women take 100% of the risk.

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As the old saying goes, if men could get pregnant the law would make abortions free and available on every street corner.

70 thoughts on “Abortion vs. Vasectomy

  1. Great ones, Nan! I saw Scottie’s post, loved the meme that read “Pregnancy begins with a penis. Regulate that. — Fallopians 13:13”, but hadn’t read the other comments. Thanks for sharing … love ’em all!!! I still think we should sterilize every male child at birth … time to let the human species die out!

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  2. Birth control pills are not dangerous for women UNLESS the woman is a smoker. This has been well known since the 1960s. I was on birth control since I was 18 (1978) until my early 30s, when I couldn’t afford it anymore, because I lived in Ohio & I didn’t have a job with health insurance. I was never a smoker. There was never a risk factor with my taking it. I never would have taken it if there was a risk factor. I do my homework before I take ANY medication whatsoever.

    Yes, I had cancer of the cervix but it wasn’t from taking the pill. It was from an infection from HPV. That’s THE cause of cervical cancer. The pill does NOT cause cancer of the cervix. I can’t believe Scottie is peddling this kind of misinformation but on second thought, of course he is. I had treatment for cervical cancer in 1995 & again in 2020. I know my facts when it comes to my body. Unlike some man with a blog.

    You will NEVER be able to force men to get vasectomies, anymore than you would be able to force women to use any form of birth control if they didn’t want to use it. You can’t force people to do things they don’t want to do in a democracy. Maybe in a totalitarian form of government but none of us want that. & aren’t we all fighting this outcome? Totalitarianism? Whether it’s the right or the left telling us what to do? I don’t want ANYONE telling me what to do. Especially a man. Most especially a man.

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    • Vssectomies are the responsible thing to do saq. I have been calling for automatic vasectomies as soon as possible for all male children. When they are ready to have children, get it reversed. Just because we produce sperm does not give us the right to deposit it everywhere possible.
      No, men cannot get pregnant, so it is up to us to mske sure we do not make a womsn pregnant until she is ready to want to have children.
      Again, it is the responsible thing to do!

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      • I can’t agree. At best vasectomy reversals have a 75% success rate if performed within two to three years, dropping down to around 40% after ten years. If I wished to father children in the future, they are not odds I would gamble on.

        Compulsory vasectomies raise the ethical issue of bodily autonomy. Even if vasectomy reversals had a 100% success rate, it would not negate the ethical issue. If it’s unethical to deny women their bodily autonomy, it is just as unethical to deny it to men. The ethical solution is to return that right to women, not to remove it from another section of society.

        The US has an unfortunate history when it comes to reproductive rights. For example sterilisation without consent for some minorities including autistics and those with Down syndrome and on the other hand, forcing women to carry unwanted pregnancies to full term.

        The remedy is plain to see. Just look to nations with a more humane view of society. Aotearoa is far from perfect but but when it comes to women’s reproductive rights we are doing much better than the US. Abortion is not a crime – ever. It’s an automatic right up to the twentieth week of pregnancy, and after that and up until full term, it’s an elective medical procedure just like any other that may be carried out after patient/doctor consultation.

        One other point I wish to make is that voluntary sterilisation availability varies widely by nation. I appreciate that the US out on a limb by itself as being the only developed nation with no public funding of health services, and some nations make some rather unusual funding decisions. After our second child was born, the wife and I came to the conclusion that we wanted no more. The best option was for one of us to undergo sterilisation – a vasectomy or a tubal ligation.

        Perhaps in the US the choice would be obvious – a vasectomy because it is much cheaper and less invasive. However, here a tubal ligation is funded 100% by the the health system whereas a vasectomy is not funded at all – the patient must foot the entire cost. At that time we were paying rent on the house we lived in and a mortgage on the house we were building, so money was tight. I was reluctant to suggest that financially the choice was obvious, but thankfully the wife took that decision out of my hands by declaring it was a no-brainer and booked herself in for the tubal ligation.

        Finally, here, female contraceptives are free, condoms aren’t. I can see no logical reason for it being that way, but it’s what we have to live with.

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        • First, Barry, and not for the 1st time, I am mot American. So I am not talking only about America.
          Second, vasectomys are not sterilization. There is a huge difference there.
          Third, if all men were given vasectomies at birth, you can bet they would make sure to find a way to make vasectomys reversible, 100% of the time! And, to the best of my knowledge, vasectomies only affect direct sperm delivery. If necessary viable sperm could still be collected internally if necessary. No one is trying to prevent a wanted pregnancy.
          But vasectomys have a lot of other uses. Preventing unwanted pregnanncies is much easier on the male body than the female body. This is the 21st Century. It is time men took responsibility on themselves, and put none of it on the woman! We have had a free pass for 2 million years or so. Is it not time to accept that we are part of the child-making process. Is it not enough for us that we don’t have to go through child-bearing? Certainly it is our turn to become part of the solution, is it not?
          But men are sissies, especially where their sex organ in concerned. They don’t want to take care of birth control, but they want to have as much sex as they can get! Men do not suffer from getting a woman pregnant. A vasectomy is the very least we can do to prevent unwanted pregnancies!

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        • My comment was directed only partially to you. In hindsight, perhaps it might have been better if I had made two separate comments – one in reply to your comment and one in reply to Nan’s post. And for that I apologise. In my defence, my ability to recognise people by their name is not much better than my ability to recognise them by their face. I can’t always recognise my wife, children or siblings by their faces, let alone others I’m less acquainted with, so I do frequently make some terrible faux pas. It’s known as prosopagnosia or colloquially as face blindness.

          Most literature describe both a vasectomy and a tubal ligation as a form of sterilisation – it should be considered as permanent. You certainly wouldn’t get either here if you revealed that you intended it to be a reversible method of birth control.

          This is a little more than I like to reveal, but as I sense that at least some of your comment regarding men was directed at me personally, let me first state that I am a male, but I have never regarded myself as a man, in part because of the very criticism you make of men. Secondly sexual activity is not something I seek, nor do I see it as a necessary component of an intimate relationship, and as far as I’m concerned abstinence is the best method of preventing an unwanted pregnancy. Thirdly, other than with my wife, I haven’t so much as kissed another person in a romantic or sexual way, let alone gone any further.

          However the wife has a different (more typical) perspective when it comes to sex and intimacy so we’ve worked out an accommodation that suits both our needs and desires, and still being happily together for over 51 years suggests that we’ve been more successful at meeting our respective needs that most couples.

          But you miss the point I directed at your comment, and that is everyone’s body is their own – that means male, female, ethnic minorities, the neurodiverse, the sexually diverse, the gender diverse and the ably diverse. It is unethical to impose or withhold a procedure that denies a person autonomy of their own body. It matters little whether it’s related to birth control, abortion, male or female circumcision, sterilisation, among others.

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        • Barry, you’ve made two remarks that stood out to me:

          Compulsory vasectomies raise the ethical issue of bodily autonomy.
          –everyone’s body is their own

          First, isn’t bodily autonomy being taken away from a women when she’s unable to obtain an abortion?
          Second, when you state that everyone’s body is their own, you are stating a truth. And in a perfect world, each of us would be able to live that truth. Unfortunately, too many people (mostly the ultra-religious) want to control not only a person’s body, but their mind, spirit, and soul as well.

          Regrettably, we who live in the U.S. must face issues that other countries do not have — or have overcome. And as a sidenote, many of us also do not have to face the same physical limitations as you, so sometimes OUR perspective is colored, just as yours is.

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        • I completely agree that in some US states bodily autonomy is being taken away from women, but the solution is not as rawgod suggests to remove it from men as well. The answer, as I have already stated is to restore it to women and to every other group who has had autonomy removed. Did you know that in the US it is legal to apply electric shocks to autistic children and adults in order to modify behaviour – something that is illegal to do to animals because it’s so inhumane. And in my country conversion therapy is prohibited when it comes to attempting to change sexual orientation or gender identity/expression but not when it comes to making autistic people appear less autistic. Some research suggests that up to 80% of autistic children who undergo such “therapy” go on to develop PTSD.

          It’s not only the ultra-religious who want to control people’s minds, bodies and souls, it’s also the ultra-capitalists, the ultra-socialists, the ultra-right, the ultra-left, the ultra-conservative and even the ultra-progressive. In fact anyone opposed to diversity in all its glorious forms. Those wanting force others to behave and believe as they do are not confined to the religious.

          Your final sentence baffles me. Everyone”s perspective is coloured by their experiences – mine primarily because of society’s misunderstanding of, and negative attitude towards autistic people. But I have no idea what you mean by “physical limitations” I face, nor how those might affect my perspective.

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        • No, Barry, I did not miss your point, but I ignored answering it directly because it was immanent in the word responsibility. If I am going to live in human society then I have a responsibilty to do no harm. A vasectomy only harms me, if it harms anyone at all! Unwanted pregnancies harm the mother, the child, and whole extended families. If a woman does not want to be pregnant, but she still wants the intimacy and joy of sex, so why should she have to suffer possible consequences that she is not ready for. Humans do not have sex only to make babies. If they did there would be very little sex happening in the world. But sex does so much more for us. It teaches us about ourselves. It teaches us about others. It allows us to feel as close as is ultimately possible to another person.
          I realize you have barriers in life, sir, and your arrangement with your wife shows you are capable of at least recognizing that others might have needs different from you. Multiply that need by billions of people. Most people have a need for intimacy, and our sexual abilties are what allows us to have sex every day of our lives if need be. But why should we risk making a baby every time we have sex. In the natural world 95% of sex is for procreation only. Yet some male mammals feel the need for sex more than once a year. Males will dominate other males to be able to know the joy of sex all year round, while the females will only accommodate males at one time of year and only until their eggs are fertilized. That’s it for them. Human females need sex more than once a year, even as human males do. But they can get pregnant anytime too. And that is not what they usually want to have happen. Male vasectomies take the risk out of sex. It also makes sex more free to be enjoyed by a woman if there is no possibility of pregnancy.
          This is how the human race should work. This is how I would like to see the human race work everywhere, and all the time!

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        • On this matter I don’t think we will ever reach an agreement. If a woman chooses to have sex with a man only if he’s had a vasectomy, that’s her perogative, just as it’s her perogative to have sex only with a clean shaven man or one without tattoos or prefers a woman over a man, and I find nothing objectionable in that, but that’s very different from requiring all males to undergo the procedure.

          As to the human need for intimacy, I’m autistic, not ignorant. Perhaps more than most people I am aware of it as a driving force in human nature simply because I’m in a tiny minority that don’t have it – at least not in the way most people do. And take it from me, society frequently assumes negative motives to those who are asexual – so much so that I have found it safer to hide it outside of the blogosphere. It was in part what motivated me to seek a potential female partner, although once I discovered the person who was later to became my wife, that motive was completely forgotten. I was smitten 😍

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        • I understand your pain, Barry, but i do not intend you insult or injury. I have worked with people with all kinds of disabilities much of my adult life. I was a roaming individual, constantly in need of meeting new people and seeing new places. Working in the personal assistant field meant I could always find work wherever I went, because in Canada at least there was more need than there were available workers. Plus, I loved helping people, so the field was a natural fit. When I say humans have a need for intimacy I am well aware of the fact that autistic people often do not feel or need intimacy. But that just makes it all the more important in a relationship. I was actually honouring you for being able to see your partner’s need, and to find a way to fulfill it. It’s up to you how you want to feel about my bringing it out ino the open — I did not know you were trying to hide it — but I know from experience what being intimate for her is costing you, or at least what it cost you in the start. I hope now this is at minimum neutral to you. You are growing as a person.
          But, no, I will never back off my belief it is the male’s duty to make sex safe for women, all women. Within a generation of giving males a vasecromy at the earliest possible age it would be normalized, like circumcision was when I was born. I never noticed that I had no foreskin because I never knew what it was like to not have one. I was not asked at birth if I wanted one, it was the normal thing to do in the late 40s in Canada. Vasectomys would be exactly the same as a circumcision. So please do not insult my intelligence with all these problems it might cause. The benefits of a vasectomy far outweigh any horrors you can think of. No more unwanted children. No more teenagers being abandoned by religious parents for doing what comes naturally for every animal species on earth. No more teenagers having to cut short their educations, or move away from their friends. No more abortions, except for medicai needs. No more single mothers living below the poverty line. The social costs avoided are beyond count. The removal of mental pain and suffering for single mothers and children would change our hurtful society. No more shotgun weddings joining together people with no love for each other.
          Can you tell me, Barry, you would not jump at the chance to heal all these social evils? Think about it!

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        • I find circumcision without consent (common in NZ during the 1940s and 50s) is just as ethically wrong as vasectomy without consent or the cosmetic alteration of intersex folk without their consent, as I do the denial of or forcing of abortions. Personal autonomy needs to be guarded vigorously. I will not budge on this, and that includes reproductive rights. On the other hand I’m totally for free universal availability of birth control, including vasectomies, on a voluntary basis, including (non-punitive) financial incentives.

          You’re also forgetting one other important aspect to this issue. It’s not that very long ago that neurodiverse folk (such as myself) were often forcefully sterilised. How much easier would it be for authorities to deny a vasectomy reversal to people such as myself or any other group that the authorities deemed “undesirable”. That is a very slippery slope to go down.

          During the lifetime of my parents and even into my younger days, people such as myself were often “institutionalised” if they didn’t develop skills sufficient to mask their neurodivergence, or who, like me, did exceptionally well on age appropriate IQ tests that were a regular occurrence in our schooling system in the 1950s (consistently in the top 0.4 to 0.3 percentile).

          Think how easy it would be for the authorities to deny reproductive rights to people such as myself in order to “solve” the so called “autism epidemic”. How long before reproductive rights are denied to those the authorities deem as “undesirable” such as other forms of neurodiversity, or sexual or gender expression, or other “deficits” that might be passed from one generation to the next. How about abusing it as a punishment/reward for those who hold certain political or religious beliefs, or perhaps those of the “wrong” ethnicity. It’s a slippery slope I don’t want to see humanity go down.

          I don’t try to hide my asexuality from the virtual world as it provides some degree of anonymity, although I’m not going to shout it from the virtual rooftops. In the real world it’s very different and my experience hasn’t been great. In my blog post Last meal I describe one incident that I was put through because I didn’t present a “typical” interest in the opposite sex. It’s by no means the worst incident but the only one I’ve been able to build up the courage to reveal, even to my own family.

          I’m not persuaded that mandatory vasectomies would heal all the social evils you mention, although I concede it might help in reducing them. For some there are no doubt alternative solutions available that are less draconian.

          Humanity throughout its history has shown little regard to the abuse of power and perhaps the potential for the greatest abuse of power lies in controlling reproductive rights.

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        • My little brother had Down Syndrome, and died in an institution at age 21. Whether or not he was stetilized I don’t know. To the best of my knowledge the last sterilization took place in the 40s in Canada. I could be wrong. Autism was not a named condition at that time.

          You are correct about the shortness of the step from vasectomy to sterilization, especially in these times of Conservative/Republican repression. They could end human life on Earth if we let them. And if that happens, nothing we do will stop it.
          It is our responsibility to make sure such things do not happen, and eugeinic laws have been passed in most democratic countries that prevent such “draconian” actions. Regular people today would never allow that to happen again. The majority of people in this world have evolved beyond such measures, and the rest are dying off. Slowly, yes, but they are dying off, which is why the ones still left are screaming in fear. They are becoming obsolete! The world is moving on without them.
          And the changes that would be made in society by universal vasectomys would help our evolution along. I don’t expect you to agree with me, or even want you to agree with me. I am using our discussion to hone my own thoughts, and to give me a public forum to start to get people to think about alternate solutions. Maybe my way won’t work, though I believe it will inside of two generations, but maybe this discussion will help someone else think of something that will work, or at lesst open up a door even I cannot see.
          I never took tests like you took to determine age appropriate IQs, but they were stopped in Canada too in the 50s, or at least they stopped giving them to me. They found out I have a genius-rated IQ in Grade 3, and for awhile they changed my education trajectory — until they discovered this white-looking boy was actually Indigenous, and suddenly all the props and perqs of being a genius disappeared. Wny waste time and money on someone who is going to wind up an alcoholic, or worse. Surely a criminal of some kind. So I obliged them, but not the way they expected.
          I came of age in the middle 60s, just as the Hippie movement started. I tuned in, turned on, and dropped out. No authority cared about me by then. I vanished into the realm of hippiedom, and I changed. I learned now to care about people, and how the society I lived in was geared to white people. And I learned compassion , not just for my fellow humans, but for all my fellow living beings. And I have lived my life accordingly ever since.
          I’ve rambled on long enough here, but you gave me your life story, so I recipropcated.
          And I say to you, one terrorized genius to another, in this instance you are wrong. You are using your history to confine yourself inside boxes I fully understand, I could be in very similar boxes too. But I reject all boxes. I try to look with eyes of possibility, and I see things few other people see. It could all be in my head, I could be 100% wrong-headed (a tale I have been told all my life), but I look — because I am not afraid of what I might see.
          Peace, Barry

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        • Aw, we were just getting going. Barry, feel free to come to my blog. I am sure you will find something there to rail against.same forvanyone elee who wants to test my resolve…

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      • My 3rd husband had a V-section, before I even met him. He said it was because he & his former wife had decided not to have anymore children (they had only two) but after talking to her & living through the hell of that marriage, I know it was so he could cheat on me (as he did on her) without having to worry about bringing illegitimate children into the world. I think it would have been better if he had kept his dick in working order & in his pants.

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        • Cheaters will cheat no matter what! Do you rewlly want him to knock up some other woman just so you have proof! That is a poor reason to bring an unwanted child into the world.
          Sorry, but your argument holds no water with me. Vasectomies help all women, but especially young girls and unattwched women.
          Just to counter your argument, women who cheat would not have to worry about unwanted pregnancies either.
          Maybe it is time to revisit the whole concept of marriage. It just makes cheating that much more fun!

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        • Rape, serial or otherwise, is a part of why vasectomies should be automatic. Where is the thrill of stealing a woman’s power if there is no chance of impregnating her? Because isn’t pregnancy the ultimate male power?
          But ending teenage pregnancies is one of the real goals of vasectomies. I was a kid once. Sex was the greatest feeling I could experience. I was able to find what I thought were willing partners, but apparently some partners were less willing than others after the fact. But as a kid, most guys I knew, including me, were not sensitive to how girls were saying “yes.” That took time to learn.
          Yes, I impregnated one girl, whom I loved very much — her parents sent her away for an abortion. Things got more complicated after that. But that was when sex got real for me, and I started being more cautious.
          As far as I am concerned, sex for teenagers and young adults is a good thing, but Why Play With Fire? Take the guesswork out of it. One vasectomy, no unexpected pregnancies!

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        • Hmmm …. I can’t say that I agree with such draconian measures. How about we have all sexual relationships formally endorsed by the state prior to any pants coming off. Or why don’t we start chopping people’s hands off for stealing?

          Do you think, in your New World Order we might make the justice system more lenient for rapists who have had the kind-heartedness to undertake a vasectomy prior to the attack? If we take away the ‘ultimate male power’ then we guys are rendered more or less harmless, aren’t we?

          I’m a bit alarmed to hear that sex WAS the greatest feeling you could experience. Do you prefer cheese on toast and a strong cup of tea these days?

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        • I can’t get an erection anymore because of the blood thinners I am on, even with the little blue pill. Is that what you want to hear? But I can still remember the feeling of havinb sex with a woman. That will never go away.
          Draconian? Forcing children to have children, that isn’t Draconian! Forcing promising young women into poverty, that isn’t Draconian! Bri ging children into a world where therebaren’t bei g loved, that isn’t draconian?
          Brother, you have no idea what Draconian even means. A small snip that you can’t even feel, you call that Draconian. Tell that to the next woman who dies in childbrth because some guy refused to wear a condom! That is what I call Draconian!

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        • No mate, that’s not what I wanted to hear. But I don’t think ‘draconian’ is out of place here, as an applicable term. And I don’t mean to offend. The examples that you provide too, are indeed draconian, in any state within which they are legislated. Generally speaking they are not. But applying draconian laws to combat draconian beliefs and draconian practices does not seem, to me, logical. We need less legislation, not more. I would have thought that that aligned with your global view.

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        • My global view is to do the responsible thing,acvorfing to my own sense of responsibility! To pass up the opportunity to make our world a better place is to ig ore the responsibility of the humab race as a wnole. No one deserves to be born to parents, singular or plursal, who cannot love, feed, care for, and protect that child! The parents’ responsibility is to ensure the child thrives.
          Humans have ignored that reslonsibility for 2 million years. It is ot enough to provide only for your own cnild if a neighbour’s child is suffering! The mari e motto is “no man left behind!” Society should have a motto too NO CHILD LEFT UNLOVED!
          You keep suggesting universal vasectomiy is a cruel a d u usual punishment when really it is a life-affirming action. Your mind is in the past. It is time to walk into the future!

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        • We may have to politely agree to disagree, I guess.
          Compulsory vasectomy for children is not doing ‘the responsible thing’. Quite the opposite. It is negating their ability to take responsibility which, in a wider sense, seems an unwise message to send to the next generation

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        • Keep on trying. You might make sense some day. You just don’t want anyone messing with your manhood. No one is. I am protecting women. Men are such cowarcs.

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        • No, I probably won’t make much sense some day, certainly not to you, on this topic. That’s OK. Diversity is what makes us. And don’t worry, my manhood doesn’t pose much of a threat to anyone.

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        • Well, if we’re going to talk about Draconian, what about convincing children that they’re born in the wrong body & they have to be put on a lifetime of meds, cutting off healthy body parts, making them unable to orgasm before they’re even having sex, unable to conceive or produce children of their own, bone loss, & dozens of other health problems, so that they are on meds for the rest of their lives?

          It’s funny cuz I was just reading a book about emotional abuse & it said that convincing a child that they are actually the opposite sex is emotional abuse. WHO KNEW? Of course, this book was published in 1990, so these concepts are no longer cool & groovy, not like the current trans trend. But hopefully, reason will prevail & our children won’t be sacrificed on the altar of ideology anymore.

          Ideas come & ideas go. During the Elizabethan era (Elizabeth I), if a printer printed something that the reign didn’t like, he lost his right hand. If he did it again, he lost his left hand. I guess being cancelled today is the equivalent of losing your hands & being unable to print.

          Honestly, if this trans thing continues, we won’t need birth control or vasectomies because the trans kids can’t conceive & the het kids apparently aren’t having sex anymore. I read an article (can’t remember where) where it seems that having a long hot shower or bath is more rewarding than sex for the yutes of today, especially for young women. So … maybe all this discussion is just pissing in the wind.

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        • The only problem with your argument, saq, is that it is not the parents who tell children they are the wrong sex. It is the children who tell their parents they are the wrong sex.
          This is not a new phenomenon, it has been happening since before history started. But at last parents are starting to listen. I am fully hetetosexual, but I hung out with homosexual people for decades, because they for the most part were nicer people than heterosexual people. I would still be hanging out with them today, by choice, but work 15 years ago took me to a redneck town where it is not cool to be homosexual. Those kids who do grow up that way leave, or they will be persecuted. This town is not for free-thinkers, but I love it despite that. Anytime I want to have an argument all I need do is walk out my door. People love to cross swords with me. But as long as they do not turn to violence they lose.
          I am telling you this because homosexual friends tell me their stories, and what they had to go througn as children or youths. This is why I choose them as friends over heterosexual people in real life, they are honest with me. (Or else I am the most gullible person in the world, which is always possible too. But I don’t feel gullible!)
          I grant you that no person should have a sex change before they mature, but in Canada that cannot happen inside our public health system. I guess in a private health system you can get anything you want if you can afford it, but, no, children should not get sex changes. However, adults should if they so choose They know what is at stake.

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        • SIGH This post is NOT about sex choices/operations/treatments/etc. or the choices people make about same.

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    • Though I agree with much of what you say (without, I should stress, any medical qualifications to do so) I think your statement ‘You can’t force people to do things they don’t want to do in a democracy’ is sadly shy of reality. But thus far, anyway, nobody can force people to take contraceptives, have vasectomies, have abortions, or even have sex (or not have sex). Let’s hope it stays that way.

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      • But some states in the US are forcing women to carry an unwanted pregnancy to full term even when its the result of rape or when the “woman” is in reality still a child herself. Even ectopic pregnancies can’t be terminated in some jurisdictions until the woman’s life is in peril. Let’s hope it doesn’t stay that way.

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    • Just read this from the National Cancer Institute…

      n 2017, a large prospective Danish study reported breast cancer risks associated with more recent formulations of oral contraceptives (8). Overall, women who were using or had recently stopped using oral combined hormone contraceptives had a modest (about 20%) increase in the relative risk of breast cancer compared with women who had never used oral contraceptives. The risk increase varied from 0% to 60%, depending on the specific type of oral combined hormone contraceptive. The risk of breast cancer also increased the longer oral contraceptives were used.

      “Cervical cancer: Women who have used oral contraceptives for 5 or more years have a higher risk of cervical cancer than women who have never used oral contraceptives. The longer a woman uses oral contraceptives, the greater the increase in her risk of cervical cancer. One study found a 10% increased risk for less than 5 years of use, a 60% increased risk with 5–9 years of use, and a doubling of the risk with 10 or more years of use (9). However, the risk of cervical cancer has been found to decline over time after women stop using oral contraceptives (10–12).”

      But it lowers the risk of ovarian, endometrial and colon cancer…

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  3. You know my stance, Nan. Vasectomirs for all men as soon as possible after birth. Keep it that way till a woman allows the man to have it reversed. Never a need for abortion again, short of medical need.

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      • Planet? You know what planet. Nation? I was born in Canada. But I am a child of the universe. I don’t believe in man-made borders. I have yet to see a natural line dividing political land grabs. Inside we are all just people, trying to make it through life safely. On the surface, though, where what people believe about themselves shows, there are a lot of mental barriers that have no need to exist.

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        • Well, yes. Be that as it may, on a planet where we have difficulty convincing parents to vaccinate their children against common diseases I think you might struggle to get the vasectomy thing up and running.

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        • A struggle that will be a pleasure to take on. Once people realize how much vasectomies will change this world for the better, they will get on board. It does not stop people from having babies, but it does stop people from having unwanted babies!

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        • As it happens, my thinking is that most of our problems stem from the fact that there are simply too many of us within a global economic system which encourages us to make that worse. So I am all for less babies, in a very general sense, and the unwanted ones especially. But any sort of prohibition has historically proved ineffective for the very people at whom the prohibition is directed.

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        • Vasectomy is not prohibition. In fact, it makes having intercourse much freer. It makes it enjoyable for all concerned parties. It removes consequences for 50% of the participants in hetetosexual sex. And it is 99.999999% safe. How can vasectomy be ineffective at stopping unwanted or unplanned babies? Youmhave not thought your argument through!

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        • You may be right about my argument. I haven’t really given it a lot of thought at all – clearly a good deal less than you, anyway. Looking at the surface of yours, though, it just seems ludicrous.

          Pregnancy isn’t the only consequence of heterosexual sex, by the way, and not even the worst. Ask any sexual assault victim.

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        • You still cannot open your eyes, or your mind, Mr. Road. You have sdecided to fightnme tooth and nail, but that’s all you have. Real men fight with words.
          What has sexual assault to do with universal vasectomies. I believe in religious circles that’s called a strawman argument, an attempt to change the subject. Like any strawman argument, it won’t work.
          Sexual assault is a criminal act that has nothing to do with sex, heterosexual or not. It is an act of power by one individual over another. Of course it is horrible, but it does not pertain here.
          U iversal vase,ctomies prevent, amo g other things, all unwanted pregnancies.! Understand that. ALL UNWANTED PREGNANCIES! And that opens all sexual intercourse to all participanrs to be able to enjoy intercourse with no fear of unwanted consequences! (We are not talking about venereal diseases here. Again, that is snother matter.) Wexare simply ta.king about people having sex, enjoying it, and not ruining anyone’s life, male or female, or child!

          NO, it isn’t the perfect solution, but it’s thousands time better than birth control pills, IUDs, w8thdrawal, rnythm methods, or even condoms. It does not affect anyone physically. It does not affect anyone mentally, and it does not affect anyone spiritually except in positive ways.if you cannot see this, then go back under your rock. Let the world ove on eithout you, please.

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        • Geeez …. You seem a little bit wound up, and it’s playing havoc with your spelling …..
          Enjoy sexual intercourse with no fear of unwanted consequences! Ha! Ha! There’s ALWAYS consequences. Sometimes positive and sometimes negative. But if it is inconsequential sex that you want, then look no further than masturbation. Though …. you seem to have thought of that already.
          I do find that most people who advise me to open my eyes normally have their own slammed shut, or wide open and staring down a tunnel.

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        • Inconsequential means nothing like no consewuences. I can spell just fine, thamk you. It is my typing finger that cannot.
          And yes, I was in a rush. I have a life!

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        • Vasectomy, per se, is not prohibition. However, if it was required that all men undergo the procedure, it would be a type of prohibition in that it would be taking away the “right” of a male person to retain his natural means of procreating.

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        • And what gives a man the right to procreate when a woman is not willing? When she jyst wants to enjoy intimate co tact,but not become a mother because of it? If a man has choice, so should a woman, without putting her body through wll ,knds of medical contortions.

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        • You don’t have to convince me!!

          And BTW, I think you’ve spelled out your POV (in no uncertain terms, I might add! 😉) so I don’t think you need to expand any further. I’m pretty sure most (if not all!) of my readers know where you stand on this issue.

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        • I responded to B, and then RR. I had already decided to stop responding on my own, you will notice RR’s last arrow went unanswered. But In earlier responses I was able to refine my thinking, and my arguments. The conversation was useful to me. In that way I often find youe nlog useful. I cannot find these opponents on my own, but your blog seems to be a wonderland of non-critical thinkers, st times. I cannot just let them make spurious comments without refuting them.
          This is me

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  4. If they invented a birth control pill for men that was 100% safe and effective, I suspect that very few men would take it. Yet they expect women to risk their health by taking one.
    Best wishes, Pete.

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  5. Rawgod, you’re right, cheaters will cheat, no matter what, no matter their sex. But Scottie is wrong about the pill; it doesn’t cause cancer, neither of the cervix nor of the uterus; in fact, taking the pill can reduce the chance uterine cancer. It regulates your periods, it clears up your skin, it makes your breasts nice & plump, it’s a win-win all the way around.

    Plus, the pill is 90% effective preventing pregnancy. IT WORKS. Take it every morning with your coffee & your multivitamin, there’s no problem whatsoever. The only problem is if you smoke cigarettes & nobody should smoke that shit anyway.

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    • I agree that the pill is a god-send for women. However, no one is perfect and there are occasionally lapses in memory, which can open the door just enough …

      Oh and BTW, Scottie did not say anything about the pill in the post I referenced. The entire post was nothing but quotes from the article, plus the comments by others (some of which I posted).

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      • Even though Scottie didn’t say anything about the pill himself, he referenced an article which had misinformation & that’s almost the same thing. A blogger is on the same level as a journalist or any writer, you have to check your references & posting information that is erroneous is ethically wrong. Scottie does a lot of that, which is why I don’t follow him anymore. He’s more about ideology than facts. I don’t give a flying F about ideology, I care about facts.

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        • I don’t like to belabor a point, but I went back and re-read the article he referenced — TWICE — and did not see anything about the birth control pill in the article or the video. In one of the comments he (and I) included, there was mention of the potential dangers of the pill and uterine devices — and this is a fact. While complications are generally rare (per Planned Parenthood), they can occur.

          As for whether you choose to follow his blog, that is entirely your prerogative.

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      • I posted this earlier, but maybe it was missed…from the Natl Institute of Cancer..

        n 2017, a large prospective Danish study reported breast cancer risks associated with more recent formulations of oral contraceptives (8). Overall, women who were using or had recently stopped using oral combined hormone contraceptives had a modest (about 20%) increase in the relative risk of breast cancer compared with women who had never used oral contraceptives. The risk increase varied from 0% to 60%, depending on the specific type of oral combined hormone contraceptive. The risk of breast cancer also increased the longer oral contraceptives were used.

        Cervical cancer: Women who have used oral contraceptives for 5 or more years have a higher risk of cervical cancer than women who have never used oral contraceptives. The longer a woman uses oral contraceptives, the greater the increase in her risk of cervical cancer. One study found a 10% increased risk for less than 5 years of use, a 60% increased risk with 5–9 years of use, and a doubling of the risk with 10 or more years of use (9). However, the risk of cervical cancer has been found to decline over time after women stop using oral contraceptives (10–12).

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        • I admit haven’t been on the pill since the late 1990s. The more recent forms that I’ve heard of, that you take once a month (because women “forget” to take a pill every day, because we’re too stupid to remember to take a pill each day) always sounded dangerous to me. I was on a low-dose pill & there was little risk to these pill, unless you were a smoker. Thank you for referencing this study.

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  6. I know enough about the women’s reproductive system to know that the hood icon on all of those jacked-up, de-engineered suburban assault vehicles with tires the size of Volkswagons is a perfect rendition.

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  7. Vasectomies are not 100% perfect; I have a friend who decided that two kids were enough, her husband agreed, and he got a vasectomy. Apparently it didn’t ‘take’, for whatever reason, and as she put it, “I cried for 9 months until the baby was born…”

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