Religious Liberty and Abortion

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This statement, published in a Guardian article, is one that few people consider as they argue and fight over abortion rights:

Religious liberty for people of all faiths is protected under the US constitution, state constitutions and federal statutes.

Considering this assertion, it would seem that while some religious groups believe abortion should be banned by law, there are others who see things quite differently. And they base their stance on the religious liberty protection granted to them in the above declaration.

The article lists some examples …

In Judaism, abortion is usually seen as permissible and even required in cases where the patient’s life is at risk. In Islam, scholars contend that abortion is allowed for the first 120 days, after which it’s seen as a civil – not a criminal – issue, and it’s permitted at any time when the health of the mother is in danger. Other believers, including within Christianity, focus on the sacredness of the individual or the family to make such decisions, rather than prosecutors or lawmaker

And …

Catholics for Choice believe they have a religious duty to protect reproductive health despite the Catholic church’s stance against abortion.

The article further notes that nearly half of Protestants and 56% of Catholics believe abortion should be legal in some or all cases, and more than half of Muslims, 82% of Buddhists and 83% of Jews believe the same.

One rabbi said this: “If you ban abortion, when my religious tradition tells me that I am a) permitted and b) possibly required to access abortion care, you are limiting my free exercise of religion.” (Emphasis mine)

Another person said — and I fully agree — To me, the law of the land and [religious] law are two separate and distinct things.

While I am personally against any laws forbidding abortion, I was surprised to learn of the resistance to the anti-abortion movement from within certain segments of the religious community — with several referencing their rights to religious liberty.

Even so, the Certain Individuals who have the Authority and Power to rule on this issue continue to disregard even the religious segment of society as they move towards an anti-abortion ruling designed to affect ALL women.

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35 thoughts on “Religious Liberty and Abortion

  1. There’s really only ONE small portion of the American public that radically pushes this movement: Protestant Evangelical-Fundamentalists.

    The American PE-F makes up only about 25.4% of our population.* That means 74.6% of American voters ALLOW a minority to dictate their federal and state laws! And I know that about half or about 47% of moderate and liberal Americans don’t participate or vote in all available elections at all levels. Here in Texas there are 30-million people, Hispanics being the now dominant ethnicity. There are over 17-million registered voters in Texas. Just over half of those voters are Hispanic and African-American, or IOW typically… NON-REPUBLICANS.

    See the two major problems in America (esp in Texas!). One, a minority rules, legislates, and governs everyone while… Two, the other majority are asleep at the will and/or simply don’t care. 😔

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    * – Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/

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    • If there’s one thing that evangelicals can be counted on to do well, it’s get out to vote no matter what.

      There are a lot of reasons that people don’t vote. Some simply cannot, for other it’s a serious economic burden to either get to the voting location, or to take time away from work. Others they feel like no candidate actually represents their views, and in other cases they do not feel like their vote will make a difference. A two party system with a first past the post electoral system will exacerbate the latter two problems. Those could be fixed, but the two big parties want to make sure that there is as little competition for power as possible.

      In the US elections are held on a Tuesday, which is for historical reasons only. At the time the law was made travel was slow. If voting day was Sunday it meant that people had to travel and couldn’t attend church service. Monday would also have similar problems, and so Tuesday was adopted.

      Want to get more people out to vote: Hold elections on a Sunday (they could vote after church), or make early voting much more accessible. At the very least election day should be a statutory holiday and the number of voting locations should be expanded.

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      • You offer an excellent assessment Herald and an excellent solution. However, I know full well there is ONE political party that would fight tooth-n-nail (with all their arsenals of weapons as well) if a vast majority of registered voting Americans demanded easier methods of voting with a choice of 2-3 polling stations. HAH!!! There’d be property violence & riots in all the RURAL (white) Red-neck counties in America, maybe even burning effigies of Polling Officers & Directors too… like another Jan. 6th Attack, but at all the polling stations and state capitals.

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        • Here’s something for comparison. I live in Ontario Canada, and we just had a provincial election. Voter turnout was a record low 43% of eligible adults. One thing to keep in mind is that this an election about a guy who enacted legislation that overrode our constitution (something that only conservatives in Canada are doing!)

          There are likely several reasons for this bad turnout, but the lack of engagement by politicians, and people being disgruntled with the choices they have, likely contributed to this. We certainly don’t have the problems of long lines, advanced voting hours, or lack of polling places.

          Personally, I think elections should be considered null and void if at least 50% of the eligible voters don’t get out to vote, and a new election should be held. Of course, our elected officials don’t seem to think so, and will probably do little to help solve this problem. The status quo is working for the people in power and they have little incentive to change it.

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  2. I agree that the opposition to Roe v. Wade is religious.

    According to the 1st amendment, there should be no establishment of religion. However, strictly speaking, it only prohibits congress from establishing religion. It does not prohibit the supreme court from establishing religion.

    Personally, I think Marbury v. Madison was wrongly decided. That’s the case where the court claimed for itself the final word on what is constitutional. In too many recent cases, the court has demonstrated that it is not worthy of this authority.

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    • Very good. The Court has proven its religious and political agenda. Trump explained clearly why he made his appointments. The court has long since abandoned the constitution as the authority on what is constitutional.

      Overtly display of religious or political behavior is grounds for impeachment.

      But, what are the chances?

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  3. The separation of church and state is a founding principle of our Constitution. What business does our government have pushing a “religious” position on the secular population?

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  4. The Christian Nationalists, or Protestant Evangelical-Fundamentalists. are unabashed in their determination that Christianity is the state religion. No other religions are included in their efforts. They intend for Christ to be king of the world. No others need to apply. And, as always, whoever intends to be in charge of the political arm, will gladly go along with the religious leaders.

    Abortion is not a religious issue. It is purely political. When they lost the issue of race, abortion immediately became the new most important issue ever. It did not take the GOP long to learn from the Christians, the moral majority, that women were the key to their success in controlling the faithful. Control the women, they explained, and the Great will be easy.

    The ideal would be that women would be eager handmaids in the program. However, it would also help if laws were on the books that favored the Christian concept: if it submits, protect it. If it resists, kill it. Therefore the GOP/Christian coalition has worked steadily for more than 5 decades to bring us to this moment. If they can overturn Roe, the rest will be whipped cream and maraschino cherries. They have gone public with their agenda. They no longer bother with obfuscation or excuses. They are convinced that they are so many steps ahead of us that they can’t be stopped. They may be right.

    It is about “Every head shall bow” but it ain’t about Jesus. It’s about keeping uppity women in their place. Birth control and contraceptives will go the way of voting and equality. It is about world dominion. It is about white males being the elect of God.

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  5. I once read that, a country gets the government it deserves.
    Look at my adopted country,South Africa
    We had Apartheid and eventually we opted for democracy.
    Unfortunately that meant we also ended up with the
    ANC !
    You lot can’t blame Trump.
    He was the people’s choice … Sort of
    No use complaining. Deal with it the best you can and next time around. … vote for the other side!

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    • Trump was not the “people’s choice.” Not even “sort of.” The POPULAR vote left him in the dust. It was only through his usual finagling of the circumstances that he ended up as POTUS. (Thankfully, it didn’t work at the last election!)

      I suppose no country has the ideal government — although there are a couple of them that seem to come close.

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      • He was voted in. Either the process was legal or it wasn’t.
        I’m not completely au fait with US politics so you tell me?

        I suppose no country has the ideal government — although there are a couple of them that seem to come close.

        You might like to look at the stats for which is / are considered to be the best countries to live in.
        There are various criteria depending on who does the survey, but in almost all of them Denmark comes in second.
        Interesting that, the survey conducted by the US concluded Canada was Numero uno.
        (Again, Denmark was second)

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        • Of course the fact that he became president was “legal!” It couldn’t have happened otherwise. But you said he was the “people’s choice” and I was pointing out that based on the popular vote, that was not the case. The more accurate description was that he was the “political” choice.

          But we’re getting away from the point of my post. 😈

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  6. I’m unconvinced of the legality of the 2016 election. But that is off topic. (POTUS is not democratically elected.)

    On the topic here, it depends on what religion, as it always has. Freedom for MY religion, not yours.
    As for abortion, it’s not so different. Freedom for my body (and my life), but not yours.

    Hypocrisy is the sacred mantle of every Republican I have ever met.

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  7. Hello Nan. Activist judges are something the right wing calls any decision they dislike or goes against them, but they love the new clearly activist religious majority of the SCOTUS. Neil Gorsuch said when he first got on the highest court that the worst form of discrimination was discriminating against the Christian religion. It was in a case where an adoption agency refused to serve the LGBTQ+ parents so the state withdrew their funding. The court made the state give it back to them saying it was wrong to discriminate against the religion by making them follow anti-discrimination laws designed to protect minorities. Yes to discriminate against the LGBTQ+ by a religion was OK, but not to discriminate against Christians for doing it. As with the ones that go door to door or try to change what others can read or watch, they feel driven to recruit or force others to live by the dictates of their church doctrine, and the religious majority on SCOTUS are doing the same thing. These five feel their religion is above the constitution, their god is above all other beings.

    More specifically to the post is the exclusion of other religions as the followers of one sect of Christianity try to force the nation to follow their church doctrine. I often think of the damage David Barton, a fake Christian historian who has rewritten the history of the US founding to make it a Christian nation, his fictional work is mandatory in all most all religious homeschool material. It is taught as a fact. It is the same in religious schools. We have generations since 1980 being taught that mistaken notion to the point it is now accepted as fact by a lot of that population. What is the saying about saying something often enough and loud enough? I have actually read some Republican elected office holders claim that because the founding fathers were all Christians trying to create a Christian country that other religions are not covered by religious freedom in the constitution, only Christianity is. The reason it was there was to protect the supreme place in the country for Christianity and Jesus. Yes that is what they say, and it is echoed just recently by Marge Greene a Republican Rep from Georgia. I just posted where she is again pushing for a White Christian nation and said that Christian nationalism is a good thing that would solve school shooting and the sexual immorality we have in the US. But as has been mentioned here in the comments these people are a minority, but they made a huge decades long push to get themselves in places of power, making deals with the devil like tRump to do it, so they can force the majority to accept the rule of their church. And they managed to take over a political party so are on their way to doing it. Look at Florida and DeathSantis. Enforcing Christian wishes on the LGBTQ+ and what is taught in school over science / biology to please the Christian base without calling it that. They may very well win if the Republicans take over the government again. Hugs

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  8. I have long said, and continue to believe, that religion causes far more harm than it does good. It is a tool used by people to force their own desires upon others, not just here in the U.S., but around the globe. It will be the downfall of the human species as they continue to “propagate the earth”, an earth that can no longer support the 7.753 billion people who already exist.

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    • Absolutely correct, Jill…religion is poison even when it appears innocuous, because the idea behind all of them is that they each are the correct one and others will pay the price.

      And yes we have way too many people…and in one way or another, nature will balance this in the long haul.

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      • That’s just it … religion — all of them — are intolerant. There is, in their view, only one right religion, one right way of viewing the world. What an awful, bigoted world this would be if there were only one religion!

        Yep, humans are refusing to protect the planet, so the time is fast approaching when the Earth will no longer support life such as we know it. Either that, or humans will destroy all life with their toys like machine guns and atomic weapons.

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        • While I agree with both of you that religion in and of itself needs to GO! … I did find it rather interesting that some in the religious field didn’t agree with the pending/possible ruling against abortion. We all know that Christians see babies as future members of the flock, but even within their ranks, some believe the government doesn’t have the right (via the First Amendment) to tell them what to do.

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  9. Abortion is NOT the taking of a life. It is instead a couple creating a life then changing their mind. It is instead a rape victim deciding against bearing the child of a soulless maniac and/or family member. It is instead saving the life of a woman which her pregnancy endangers. It is instead a safe alternative to the coat hangers of the 60s and 70s. And most definitely it is none of anyone else’s business!!

    To all Republicans, repeat after me: None. Of. Your. Business! It’s a couple’s decision to create a life, so it’s also their decision to NOT create a life, which is NOT the same as murder! If you’re all so damn pro-life, why do you support guns, whose only purpose is death? Why do you oppose everything that helps kids once they’re born, such as gov’t programs like WIC and EBT? And how can you support Trump caging kids and tearing families apart?

    And finally, how do you not get it that unplanned babies usually end up welfare recipients, homeless, drug users, criminals or some other burden on YOUR tax dollars? Aren’t you the ones who bytch and moan about half of use supporring the other half? The why don’t you APPLAUD people who decide they’re too poor or unstable to have a kid?

    BECAUSE YOU’RE ALL MORONS!! You should not only have your kids taken, you shouldn’t raise or breed kids, or even vote. Ever. You should do only menial jobs 14x7x365, your wills should be nullified, you should donate blood and tissue regularly, plus all organs upon death, and until then you should also be guinea pigs for drug and medical experiments, bypassing 10 years of animal testing!

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  10. Catholics for Choice don’t actually follow Catholicism’s teachings, but I do see what you mean.

    However, I will say that from what I have seen, expert pro-life advocates rarely invoke religion and usually simply try to argue from science or philosophy that a fetus should have the same human rights as anyone else, including the right to life.

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