Christianity and QAnon

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Some of you may have already seen this, but if not, it’s definitely worth a read:

Pastors are leaving their congregations after losing their churchgoers to QAnon

On the morning of the Capitol riot, Vern Swieringa told his wife during a walk with their dogs: “Something is going to happen today. I don’t know what, but something’s going to happen today.”

The Christian Reformed Church pastor from Michigan had been watching for months as some members of his congregation grew captivated by videos about the QAnon conspiracy theory on social media, openly discussing sex trafficking and Satan-worshipping pedophiles.

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So when hundreds of President Donald Trump’s supporters stormed the Capitol hours after his premonition, Swieringa was shocked, but not surprised.

“I think some of the signs had been there all along, and it just all came to a perfect storm,” Swieringa told Insider.

Even more startling is the following from the article:

[A} survey by the conservative American Enterprise Institute found that more than a quarter of white evangelical respondents believed in QAnon and that three in five believed that President Joe Biden’s win in the 2020 election was “not legitimate.” 

Much of this smacks of Christian Nationalism, which some of you have spoken out against. Let me assure you, it is a very real movement. I won’t address it here, but urge anyone who is not familiar with their goals to do the research. Wikipedia is a good place to start. You may also want to read this article.

44 thoughts on “Christianity and QAnon

  1. People have been writing about this for years. The Christian Right has been salivating ever since tRump won in 2016 and it certainly fermented during his time in office. They are determined to establish a theocracy and have been for some time. Power – that’s what it’s about, and all those evangelicals who voted for tRump are drunk on it. 😦

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    • Like you, inspired, it creeps me out as well. If you want proof of this mindset, just check out blogs of those-afflicted; Mel Wild and Insanity Bites come to mind immediately. . .they’re death on ‘evil’ socialism, etc., etc., . . . they are convinced if (their) god was ruling the world it would be a much better place. Don’t even get me started on the one-issue voting influence – abortion – and how that influenced all those on Team Je$u$. 😦 Just the fact that they have themselves convinced that tRump is their man . . shake head.

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        • No, Nan! When I looked at it, Jim had made a couple of comments but I didn’t see yours. I tried but mine – “Mel, you’re overstating things a bit, aren’t you?” – didn’t see the light of day. He banishes me before I even think about commenting. :). I’ll have to go back now. .

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        • Those were excellent points you made, Nan. I should have tried to ‘like’ them but I’m sure he’d take those off, too. I am a persona non grata on there. . . 🙂

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        • I wanted so bad to counter his statement: And if something is inherently bad, then sweeping statements are appropriate. … but decided not to carry things any further.

          He most definitely promotes and preaches the “Jesus Is Lord” political philosophy.

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        • Here in Canada, mail carriers in two cities threatened to walk off the job after they found out they had to deliver it with the fliers. . . Here in rural NS, we got a complimentary copy (fishing for subscribers) and I called to complain at the post office, along with hundreds of other people. It caused quite a disturbance; enough so that it made it to CBC radio – ha, ha. Of course, Epoch Times paid to have it delivered and a Crown Corporation can’t say no to a revenue stream.

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        • I’ve complained to YouTube because it pops up as an ad all the time when I’m watching videos and annoys the hell outta me. Prager University, the university that touts itself as NOT really being a university, is another bunch of conspiratorial crap that haunts my YouTube ad feed. Truly annoying, even more so because millions of blithering idiots believe everything they’re told by these people.

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      • Did you happen to notice that everything Mel related to and equated with ‘socialism’ comes only from anti-liberal examples? This is the source of fuel necessary for Trump and QAnon and the Tea Party cohhort and evangelicals and white nationalism to have any political air to breathe. And Biden is falling into this Woke trap just like so many Democrats have so stupidly already done (which means Trump WILL return in 2024 well armed and with lots of supporters).

        If you want to starve the excessive Right, you have GOT TO be a true classical liberal first and foremost and criticize and confront anti-liberalism not just from the extreme Right but most especially from the middle Left.

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        • You nail it again, tiledb. The whole FOCUS of Biden’s Administration has been on your pet peeves. He has dealt with nothing else. Every action has been laser focused on the issues important to a green haired “I am a gender that you have never even heard of…and a multicolored dragon otherkin” 23 year old.

          You know…I agree with you on some of the follies of group victimization and the identity politics of the left. But you just take it too far.

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        • Too far?

          Biden HAS done lots of terrific things. And will continue. I’m a big fan. But this is a non sequitur. Criticizing a Biden administration anti-liberal policy is not going too far; it’s a start.

          We have to reclaim liberal principles from the thieves hiding out in the Left who have claimed tolerance and respect and diversity and equity are superior replacements. They’re not. They are fuel.

          As far as what we see in Mel’s post, every example used to vilify ‘socialism’ (what I think is a necessary component of a caring and compassionate society able to erect a bunch of social safety features not least of which is to have the power to regulate business from its natural excesses) is from only those anti-liberal actions and anti-liberal policies that come from this replacement outfit taking up residence in the Left and offered aid and comfort. I could go into detail what these ideas are and why they are so toxic to liberal democracy but that’s not the purpose of the OP.

          My point remains that every time an anti-liberal action or policy or event occurs not just with the tacit support of the Left but without criticism or complaint from those not in the Trump camp, not from then evangelical camp, not from the QAnon camp, this acts as fuel for Trump, for the populists, for the evangelical, for the estimated 1 in 5 Republicans who believe QAnon is a more reliable and trustworthy source for information than CNN and MSNBC and PRN combined. This lack of criticism, lack of confrontation, lack of standing firm on principles by most Democrats to stand up to anti-liberalism by the most strident activists of the Left IS the fuel needed and used to great effect by what I think are the worst elements in society.

          What I’m saying – and I don’t think it goes too far to say – is that classical liberalism can and should accommodate the best features of socialism. This needs defending on the same principled grounds that ensures legal freedoms and rights for each of us. Think of your local fire department. That’s socialism at work. But classical liberals MUST stop accommodating the worst aspects of socialism, like the push to totalitarianism as some kind of magical solution to long term challenges and the demand for only one ‘correct’ version of moral virtue. If we want to stop populists like Trump and his enablers like Mel, we have got to stop feeding them with our unprincipled support for and/or silence to these illiberal actions and policies. We have to grow a backbone.

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  2. Nan, Alex Jones, Donald Trump, QAnon, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Congresswomen Greene and Breitbart, etc. need to be held accountable. Jones has already lost a court case and appeal on his Sandy Hook is hoax BS, which has been echoed by Greene. Jones must pay restitution to the Sandy Hook families he denigrated. There is a North Carolina man in jail for believing Jones’ BS story on Hillary Clinton running a child pornography ring from a DC pizza parlor. Then, there are the 100 or so arrested for storming the capitol building.

    If people who have the public ear do not act responsibly, then they should be held to account. If you are a public official and must parrot these conspiracies, then you need to be held to account. If you believe these conspiracies and act on them, you can not claim ignorance as your defense.

    It does not get any simpler than that. It is better to let people believe you are a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. The above people and group would be best served to remember that quote. Keith

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  3. Delusions based upon delusions, based upon other delusions (a la wheels within wheels within wheels …).

    When you are brought up to believe in fairy tales, we shouldn’t get upset when they believe in fairy tales.

    I saw a political cartoon today (I couldn’t paste it here . . . argh!) that had QAnon spelled out but the Q had been replaced by a round lollipop with the tail of the Q being the stick. The caption was “Sucker.”

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  4. I think most of America was expecting something to happen that wouldn’t be pretty that day. The only people that seem to have ignored the myriad signs that something was brewing seem to be the Capital Police.

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  5. What I find interesting is that in the US, there’s a definite tendency for those who proclaim a Christian identity to be well right of centre, whereas here in Aotearoa New Zealand the majority who identify as Christian are left of centre. Why that should be, I’m not sure, but it may be related to the reason why our respective immigrant settlers chose to leave their homelands in the first place: religious and personal freedom in the case of America, and social justice and a classless society in the case of Aotearoa. Neither has been entirely successful.

    Of course the likes of Mel and IB would be horrified if they realised that this nation’s move to a mixed economy (private and state ownership of resources) has been largely supported by the churches since the late 19th century. And no more was that evident than the introduction of cradle to grave social welfare in the 1930s which was described at the time as “practical Christianity”.

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      • I suspect it may simply be ignorance brought about by the way social media tends to reinforce preconceived notions. They are unlikely to come across information that paints left wing concepts in good light. And for every one item that might express limited support, there’ll be dozens of articles depicting the very worst possible scenarios that exist only in nightmares or under totalitarian regimes.

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  6. I was trying to think of a comment and just came up with I’m so sick and tired of white nationalism and Christian religion and all the evils it entails and they all probably like QAnon because it’s even crazier and meaner and more dangerous, which is all to their liking.
    I’m so sick of it, that if they gain control and destroy democracy, people who are different and ultimately all people, the environment and any semblance of decency…then do it and get it over with. The earth will be better off in the long run without people. People are just too stupid and too mean and full of hate and religion is behind a lot of it..always has been.

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    • Gee … do I sense a bit of anger in your response? 😁

      Seriously, I agree. And what’s especially disturbing is so many of the people who have their heads on straight are totally oblivious to what’s going on simply because they’re too busy raising a family and paying bills and putting food on the table. In other words, trying to be good citizens … while the rioters and the QAnon people spend their time accusing the rest of the world of pizza parlor antics along with figuring out their next move to bring Trump back.

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  7. Perhaps a better way (?) of describing what’s going here is neurological and why it’s important to break the cycle… something each can do if we’re aware of the problem. And it’s a problem of interpretation every single one of us is susceptible to reinforcing.

    “So when it comes to the emotional interpretation of events (edit: like the list Mel offers), your brain is making not predictions but superfast ‘postdictions’, after-the-fact inferences about things that have already happened. Your brain is continually rewriting your perceptual history to conform to new incoming facts. This is a form of Bayesian inferencing: form an opinion and update that opinion as new information becomes available.” (Successful Aging, Levitin 2020)

    So if all of our ‘new’ information is information that aligns, that confirms an imported bias, that meshes with our previous interpretation, that enhances our partisan assumption and allegiance, this information reinforces the neural circuitry that emotionally justifies feeling the way we feel. Not reason: emotion. (Trump is an expert at promoting this emotional connection to his voter base.) This also goes by the name of the Silo Effect. We need to hear criticisms from ‘inside’ our partisan camps, our silos, to alleviate the deepening emotional allegiance for partisanship that our biology is prepared to support. We need to hear Democratic leaders say ‘no’ to illiberal ideas and defend this refusal to give in and go along by reminding us of our liberal heritage and the civic duty we have to support it. That will suck support from the populist camp and widen the support from the middle classical liberal voters of the political spectrum.

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      • My contribution is as a volunteer on Boards. I seem to have a reputation for ‘fixing’ charities that require better financials for auditing, although lately the push seems much more focused on digital outreach. I like solutions and – hard to believe, I know, because of the way I write – work really well with a very wide variety of people. Board meetings tend to be full of laughter and yet so much gets done.

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  8. Finally getting a chance Nan to catch up on newest blog-posts published from wonderful bloggers like yourself that I follow. 😉 💞 Do you feel special? Lol

    What I found particularly interesting in that Insider article was Sr. Pastor Derek Kubilus of Uniontown United Methodist Church in Ohio and his Cross Over Q podcast, a supposedly “Christian recovery-rehab program” for disillusioned Faithers? I wonder if there are ANY licensed psych therapists involved in his podcast!? And if so, there is only so much a professionally licensed therapist can do via Skype or Zoom! In some cases, nothing! The suffering victim/patient MUST see a professional in-person. Period. Grrrrrr, the obsession this country has with fast, convenient technology—similar to our addiction for pills that just magically change your life when swallowed. 🤦‍♂️

    It is amazing and disturbing that the general public online, those naïve portions NOT thoroughly educated in a specific field are so easily persuaded by what is essentially internet propaganda. But then again these tactics of brainwashing your audience, listeners, readers, has been going on ever since mass printing was invented, the radio, the TV, the internet, and now the flood of cell-phone/mass wireless technology. This mass flood that was once called The Information Age has morphed into today’s correct term The Disinformation Age.

    What makes all this another cognitive pandemic so to speak, at least in the U.S. and other countries with large populations of illiterate or poorly educated citizens/consumers, is a perpetual wave (ocean?) of confirmation bias addicts. Their numbers are exploding directly because of three factors: 1) advances in wireless technology, 2) the internet, and 3) the algorithms those electronic engineers program into the software. The last component exacerbates addiction to confirmation bias. The most susceptible consumers to this addiction seem to be the Silent Generation, born 1925-1942 (Age 79-96) and all generations after Millenials, born 1980-2000 (Age 21-41) with a splattering of Generation X’ers, born 1965-1979 (Age 42-56) who never familiarized themselves with the early advent of home computers up to the birth of the world-wide web in 1989-90.

    The other huge problem with these consumers are their preexisting LACK of critical-analysis and critical-thinking skills. This points to their parenting and family background, then their quality of primary and secondary education, as well as their under-grad/post-grad educations, if any at all. But Nan you know my views on this problem in America so I’ll skip it. 😉

    Nonetheless, my father taught me an invaluable lesson in 1975-1980: “Son, don’t believe everything you see on TV.” That also carried over to a movie screen in a theater as well.

    Dad’s lesson to me applies just as much today as it did then, perhaps more so now given virtual organizations (cancers?) like QAnon. Many of these type groups could not start and survive if it were not for our internet technology and subsequent Disinformation Age. The COVID-19 pandemic also exacerbated groups like this and radical Christian Nationalism.

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