Reblog: An open letter to Christians about their support of Trump

This is an EXCELLENT letter directed to “American Christians” that I hope gets shared far and wide. I’m doing my part.

Dear American Christians:

On November the 3rd, less than two weeks from today, you have an important decision to make about your eternal life. Do you remember that covenant you hold so near and dear to your heart? It is the pledge that separates you from the rest of us heathens. It is the promise […]

An open letter to Christians about their support of Trump — Ends and Beginnings

33 thoughts on “Reblog: An open letter to Christians about their support of Trump

  1. I guess I would also wonder why a self-proclaimed Christian would not make the connection that all the bad traits the Donald possesses (and more) exist within his precious savior. Guess he’s another Christian that hasn’t read the bible?

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        • In all my years trying to be a Christian, I recall that very few in the congregations carried a bible, neither did they use those found in the pews. Whatever the pastor/preacher/evangelist preached to them was sufficient. Usually, two or three verses were sufficient to support a thirty-minute sermon. The greatest part of that sermon, of course, was about the need to “give your money to God. Here’s my address.”

          I think the reason atheists are more familiar with scripture is that we studied our way out of the religion business.

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            • I wish I had been so alert and self-aware at that age. I allowed the non-answers to my questions to be sufficient.

              I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.
              Richard Dawkins

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            • Interestingly, it wasn’t about being alert or self-aware what pushed me in that direction. I was having an emotional/physical crisis and my mother said to start praying. I decided to do that and read the bible. Guess I should have thanked her for my education! LOL

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            • Those people being caged at the border or being transported across the nation, are mostly Catholic. It is apparent the church has no interest in them as they are poor and of dark skin. The current passion for the church is ‘White and Wealthy.’ The Christian Nationalists now embrace the doctrine of Calvinist doctrine. Keeping the church White is important. It reflects the values the church has held since the beginning of the nation. If their God is the God of the Southern churches which promote slavery, then their God was defeated by the Union forces. Their effort to retain slavery as a legal and sacred right went done with the rest of the traitors.

              Both Protestant and Catholic Christianity proclaim their zeal to maintain the sanctity of life and preservation of the family unit as a core principle. By that measure, we should see all the church leaders congregated at the border and at the detention centers throughout the country which hold mothers, fathers, and children in separate but equal circumstances. But what we see, in fact, is the hypocrisy of the White Christian Nationalist corporation which wants nothing more from the dark-skinned masses than tithes and votes.

              John 15:13-15 New International Version (NIV) 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command. 15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business.

              The body of the church does not know the masters business and their lives are far from worthy of any sacrifice from the saints of the church. The mindset of the Church leadership is the same as their mindset toward slavery. It is their peculiar mission.

              Upon the outbreak of the (Civil) war, Dabney joined his fellow Southern Presbyterians in resolving in conference: “We hesitate not to affirm that it is the peculiar mission of the Southern Church to conserve the institution of slavery, and to make it a blessing both to master and slave.”
              Stewart, Katherine. The Power Worshippers (p. 106). Bloomsbury Publishing. Kindle Edition.

              In a paper titled “The Bible, Slavery, and America’s Founders,” posted on the WallBuilders website, Barton argues that “in light of the Scriptures, we cannot say that slavery, in a broad and general sense, is sin.
              Stewart, Katherine. The Power Worshippers (p. 114). Bloomsbury Publishing. Kindle Edition.

              “I speak to these pastors” across the country, he said. “This is the one thing they say: ‘Politics is dirty.’ My response to them is, ‘So is the church. So what’s your point?’ Rob McCoy, pastor of Godspeak Calvary Chapel in Thousand Oaks, Ca.
              Stewart, Katherine. The Power Worshippers

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      • The fact that so few Christians study the bible makes it much easier for these leaders of the church to lead them in whatever direction they choose. The church has a particular bent to follow pretty close after capitalism and political power. Politicians are attracted to them due to the large voter bloc.

        I remember that prior to the Protestant up-rising, the bible was only available in Latin and the masses were not allowed to possess it. It is imperative that the congregation remain ignorant of the Holy Scripture.

        Absurdity and inutility of the mysteries forged in the sole interest of the priests
        What is a mystery? In a word, a mystery is whatever our spiritual guides can not explain to us.
        baron d’ Paul Henri Thiry Holbach. Superstition In All Ages (1732) / Common Sense (Kindle Locations 1430-1431).

        In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
        Thomas Jefferson

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        • Excuse me. I had to identify this character who re-writes our history, denying the separation clause.
          I’m not pedaling Katherine Stewart’s book, but it would be worthwhile to read it. She really lays out the intentions of the Christian Nationalists and the GOP.

          David Barton is an evangelical Christian political activist and author. He is the founder of WallBuilders, LLC, a Texas-based organization that promotes unorthodox theories about the religious basis of the United States.

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          • The Churches were Prophesied to destruction because of the fact that the Scriptures are not some dogmatic means to control the masses. They were written in metaphor so the enemy would pass the message on to the End of Days. Scriptures are clearly a grassroots movement written by anarcho-communists. That’s why The Truth would not become apparent til the End of Days when the capitalist (Roman) empire finally collapses on itself.

            If Christians were Truly Christian, they would not vote for a King (President) because they allegedly already have one (Christ).

            You can’t have two masters don’t ya know?

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            • Hello Maria. Thanks for stopping by. I have several problems with your comment, but since it’s directed primarily to cagjr, I’ll let him respond.

              I do wonder, however, where you get the idea the scriptures were “written in metaphor.” I would say a large majority of believers would totally disagree with you on that.

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            • Throughout the entire Bible it states the The Word is consistent from beginning to end. If one part of Scriptures is written in Metaphor then the whole thing is Metaphor. Which means that if something is not realistic in the real world then it is part of the Metaphorical Prophesy. No Christian takes every word as literal. Thus, they are fooling themselves by picking and choosing which obviously impossible parts are metaphor and which parts are ‘reality.’

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            • Let me clear up this one point, I do not accept any part of scripture as ‘reality’. There is nothing factual about religion, right back to Anu, except some historical names and places. But as far as facts that would give substance to the scripture, they don’t exist.

              I know Christians hold the Bible to be the infallible Word of God. It is not infallible, neither is it all metaphors and parables. It is a great work of fiction and if some of those Old Testament books are returned to their original state, you may find some good poetry. All Hebrew writing is not included in the “Holy Bible”. It is entirely the compilation of the early church leaders, so of course, it will contain only those
              manuscripts which support their doctrine. Period.

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            • Everything Christians are doing is against Scripture. The Scriptures were sent as a Curse to the world. The Curse was sent out to all the houses (Churches and Synagogues) of the tribes of the Harlots Israel & Judah (Fake Judaism and Fake Christianity). They were written in Metaphor to trick their enemies into confiscating the curse. Which is why it Prophesies against the ‘antichrists’ who would come in and distort The Word. They didn’t distort it by physically changing it. They distorted it by lying about it, and changing the way the Scriptures are perceived by the sheep. The antichrists took over because that was the intention from the beginning. In the End of Days The People will realize the Truth that sets them free and the Church’s will be destroyed, then subsequently The State.

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            • I had to return to the original post of 10/22 to try to get an idea of what you are referring to. It didn’t help much.

              Since you have thrown in the Romans and Christ, I will have to assume that you are referring to Hebrew/Christian scripture and maybe specifically to the New Testament scripture.

              “The Churches were Prophesied to destruction.”

              I don’t know what prophecy in scripture you are referring to. I can not lay claim to any high degree of knowledge about scripture, but my understanding is that the church was/is prophesied to bring the Christians (the body of Christ) up to and through the return of the Messiah, to do battle with those antichrists and then to stand victorious before the Throne of God. Those are the last days, biblically speaking.

              “because of the fact that the Scriptures are not some dogmatic means to control the masses”

              Since religion was invented it has been about controlling the masses. Most of the world’s religions are all about promising great rewards for its adherents and death and destruction to all infidels. Of course, to other religions. Christians are infidels. Among the 34,000 Christian denominations world-wide, many hold their fellow Christians as infidels. After all, how many correct and true churches can there be in those numbers. One Christ. One church. “My church is the true church and everybody else goes to hell.” I have to disagree heartily that scriptures are not dogma. “There is a heaven to gain and a hell to shun.” Turn on your TV any Sunday morning and see if you can discern any dogma. Metaphors aplenty, but it is futile to tell most believers that the Garden od\f Eden story is a metaphor.

              “grassroots movement written by anarcho-communists”
              The original scriptures go back some 3500 years, speaking of the Hebrew. Others 5000 or more years. The men (presumably men) who wrote the scripture were members of the chief families. The first priests of the Hebrews were descendants of the hierarchy. Some of the prophets may have come from outside the family, but we can be sure no prophecy survives which the leaders do not want to survive. Moses, David, and Solomon can not be written off as grassroots authors of scripture.

              “written by anarcho-communists”
              One thing, even in the Summerian’s scripture, they have always existed under a system of patriarchs. The gods of just about every religion are exactly like the people who create them. Religion is never without a leader. No god can exist without the direction of men. Whether it is Abraham or the Judges, the kings, or the system of priests. Even when the Jews were in bondage to other nations, scripture has always been written and re-written to be sure their God has never been weaker than any other god. The strongest nations must have the strongest gods, and vice versa. Weaker nations have gods who are subservient to the bigger gods.

              “If Christians were Truly Christian”

              Since the advent of Christ, religion has always suffered under both a sacred and secular master. I don’t believe anything Christ taught would deny Christians taking part in their government. You can probably find scripture contrary to both opinions on that, or any other matter. There have been a few cults that tried to isolate themselves from the secular world, but they have been short-lived. I’m an atheist but I would not deny anyone their right to be both religious and to take part in government.

              This present Christian Nationalist movement would hold all Christians hostage to their particular dogma and deny all non-Christians the right to exist.
              “Theonomists hold that divine law, including the judicial laws of the Old Testament, should be observed by modern societies.”
              Katherine Stewart from The Power Worshippers

              Maria, I’m sorry I rambled on so much, but I have not been able to understand your objective. Some of your statements are more than my feeble mind can grasp.

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  2. They have a blizzard of excuses and rationalizations. The kids had to be separated because the parents might be child traffickers who were merely posing as parents. It’s the parents’ fault for coming to the US illegally. It’s fake news. Trump is a sinner but so is everyone and all sins are equally sins, therefore Trump is no worse than anyone else. God can use a bad man for a good purpose. Abortion is the ultimate evil so the fact that Democrats support abortion rights outweighs everything else.

    The point is that they want to support the man who pleases them by hurting all the people they hate and resent, while at the same time maintaining their smug and self-righteous feeling of superiority as being among the saved. They’ll seize upon any rationalization that enables them to do that, and name-call anyone who challenges them. It doesn’t need to make sense.

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  3. “I don’t know what prophecy in scripture you are referring to. I can not lay claim to any high degree of knowledge about scripture, but my understanding is that the church was/is prophesied to bring the Christians (the body of Christ) up to and through the return of the Messiah, to do battle with those antichrists and then to stand victorious before the Throne of God. Those are the last days, biblically speaking.”

    The Church originally did not equate to the modern version of a church. The original ‘churches’ were congregations (gatherings of people) that worked together as communities to solve their own problems without participating in the ways of the world (Gentile courts, government, holidays, war, etc.) The Churches were Propshesied to ruin since at least the exile to Babylon. and the Prophesy was confirmed in Revelation when the Lampstands are removed from their houses because we will no longer need the light of the lamp or the light of the sun because the light will dwell in us all.

    “Since religion was invented it has been about controlling the masses…”

    Scripture was never meant to be a religion. That’s why the real Jews were punished time and time again and it’s the whole reason The Messiah was sent forth to condemn the fake Jews.

    “The original scriptures go back some 3500 years, speaking of the Hebrew. Others 5000 or more years. The men (presumably men) who wrote the scripture were members of the chief families. The first priests of the Hebrews were descendants of the hierarchy. Some of the prophets may have come from outside the family, but we can be sure no prophecy survives which the leaders do not want to survive. Moses, David, and Solomon can not be written off as grassroots authors of scripture.”

    It seems you have not even read the Scriptures. The real Jews were cursed the moment they asked for the first King Saul. YHWH warned them that if He gave them a king they would be cursed to always suffer the failings of the kings. This is the whole real The Messiah was sent forth. To be King for all times. And yes, it was a grassroots movement. Which is quite evident in the Dead Sea Scrolls. The real Jews wrote in Parables in order to send a curse to their enemies. The enemies remain in possession of the curse (Scriptures) to this very day, and it will destroy them.

    “One thing, even in the Summerian’s scripture, they have always existed under a system of patriarchs. The gods of just about every religion are exactly like the people who create them. Religion is never without a leader. No god can exist without the direction of men. Whether it is Abraham or the Judges, the kings, or the system of priests. Even when the Jews were in bondage to other nations, scripture has always been written and re-written to be sure their God has never been weaker than any other god. The strongest nations must have the strongest gods, and vice versa. Weaker nations have gods who are subservient to the bigger gods.”

    Again, it seems you have neither read the Scriptures nor have you read much Anarcho-Communist literature. The entire New Testament wreaks of Anarcho-Communism. I can’t even begin…

    “Since the advent of Christ, religion has always suffered under both a sacred and secular master. I don’t believe anything Christ taught would deny Christians taking part in their government. You can probably find scripture contrary to both opinions on that, or any other matter. There have been a few cults that tried to isolate themselves from the secular world, but they have been short-lived. I’m an atheist but I would not deny anyone their right to be both religious and to take part in government.”

    The entire Bible from beginning to end is a Prophesy against the authority of Man (Satan). It’s the whole reason The Messiah was sent, to free us from this evil system of things. Please, I beg of you, refrain from ‘refuting’ things you know nothing about.

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    • I think this sums things up quite well … You can probably find scripture contrary to both opinions on that, or any other matter.

      It has been well proven over the centuries that “scripture” means whatever a person wants it to mean. Even those who have spent years in study of same will disagree with one another about “what it really means.”

      Moreover, the fact that you claim to be an atheist hardly gives you credibility to validate what “scripture” means.

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      • You can say the same of just about any book. People pick and choose what they want to believe. That’s how it will be until the End of Days when Truth will come crashing down on this evil system of things. Only one Truth has been consistent throughout the ages, regardless of how many idiots try to distort it.

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        • Methinks you are not being forthcoming in your self-description. Atheists could care less about the “End of Days” because they don’t believe such things exist. And “Truth” is what you make it, not what some book says it is.

          Perhaps it’s time to move on or be more forthcoming in your motives.

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          • What is wrong with my description and what motives do you speak of? I’m pondering the same thing about you. I’m telling you that the Scriptures are not what they seem to be, yet you are bent on trashing something you clearly have not read based upon a religiously Athiest ideology that seems to be institutionalized in your world. If you are not interested in an original non-religious perspective of Scriptures then by all means, continue in your slumber.

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            • I’m basing my comments on yours. Perhaps my interpretation is “off,” but the capitalization of certain words leads me to think you are a believer-in-disguise, especially with all the talk about “Truth,” which in religious circles, generally refers to “God’s Word.”

              I’m not “pondering” about anything. I have no interest in scripture (capitalized or not), although I am quite familiar with much of it based on my PAST Christian experiences and the research I did for a book I wrote.

              Further, the subject of the post was related to Christian support of Trump. Nothing you have said refers to that. Did you even read the original blog I referenced?

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            • SoOooOoo… I capitalized some words and that is the only conclusion you came up with? Interesting. And what is your definition of ‘believer?’ I do believe Scriptures are speaking a Truth but it’s not the Truth that is preached by the Churches which is why they will be destroyed by The Word they claim to believe in. The Truth of The Word is far more powerful than some hippie who descends from the sky and saves the day…

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    • You are addressing Nan, but quoting and responding to me, so I don’t want to be out of line. It is Nan’s blog. I’m just a pesky guest.

      I am sure I have never read the particular translation you seem to be referring to.

      John 1:29 KJV: The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

      The ‘sin of the world’ is that which The Law of Moses declared to be a sin. The only relief from sin was a prescribed offering or sacrifice, which of course, went to the priests. The law being what it was, there would never be an end to sacrifices.
      So the remedy is that Christ comes along, having the full authority of God, and gives his body as the ultimate blood sacrifice for sin; for all sin for all time for those who believe.

      In the process, he did away with the Temple services and the priesthood, explaining to the priests who rejected him, “therefore your house (the temple) is left unto you desolate,” that is, without the presence of God. MT. 23:37-39

      So, he destroyed the law of Moses and the priests who enforced it. Do you follow? For “Christians” today to go back and preach the law of Moses is blasphemy against Christ.

      The Churches were Prophesied to destruction because of the fact that the Scriptures are not some dogmatic means to control the masses.

      The entire Bible from beginning to end is a Prophesy against the authority of Man (Satan). It’s the whole reason The Messiah was sent, to free us from this evil system of things. Please, I beg of you, refrain from ‘refuting’ things you know nothing about.

      “Scriptures are not some dogmatic means to control the masses.”
      “The entire Bible from beginning to end is a Prophesy against the authority of Man (Satan)”

      It seems to me you are contradicting yourself. To take away the man’s authority suggests that another authority is superior to that, which in this case I presume you mean to put mankind under the authority of God. So, yes then, the scriptures are dogma intended to control the masses.

      You need to adjust your comments so that one of those things is true. I would like to see some scripture that proves the prophecy of the destruction of the churches, though that should be singular.

      “Please, I beg of you, refrain from ‘refuting’ things you know nothing about.”
      I have heard that charge before. I only ask that you provide proof of my stupidity.

      “Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”
      Stephen Wineberg American physicist. 1979 Nobel Prize

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      • No worries, cagjr. I imposed myself into the conversation. However, I am a stickler for comments staying on-topic and this one seems to have taken an entirely new direction. Part of that is my fault but I couldn’t let some of Maria’s comments go unanswered.

        I suggest another venue if you and Maria wish to continue the discussion. Apparently she has a blog.

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        • Thanks, Nan. I have no intention to continue this ‘conversation.’ (?) Going by the last response you received, this person is laboring under the erroneous idea that they have a clue.

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