Above All … VOTE!

As I’ve indicated to various individuals now and again, my other-half leans Republican; however, I didn’t realize that he not only leans, he’s actually fallen over the bannister!

He did not watch last night’s debate, but at one point when Trump made an especially idiotic remark, he happened to be in the same room with me. I knew he couldn’t help but hear what Trump had said, so I turned to him and asked:

“I have a question and I want a one-word answer. I’m not looking for a discussion. I know you support Republican ideals, but you’ve also repeatedly said you can’t stand Trump. Are you still going to vote for him?”

His answer?

“Yes.”

He went on to reiterate his intense dislike for Trump — and then began to rail against the ideals and policies of the Democrats. I quickly reminded him that I did not want to get into a political discussion. Fortunately, he took me at my word and left the room.

I tend to think this is typical behavior of many Trump supporters. Over the years, for whatever reason, they have formed negative ideas about Democratic policies and actions to the point that, in many cases, there is simply no reasoning with them.

This is why, no matter what Trump has said and done … no matter how he’s harmed this country … no matter that he might one day fully assume a dictatorship role … the Republican “ideals” remain the motivating factor in their voting decisions.

To those who support him, they believe he has their back and he’s going to run this country they way it should be run. He’s going to ensure the “American Way” is front and center. And most of all, he’s going to keep “Christ in Christmas.”

For myself, I’ve never been that much into politics. It wasn’t until Obama got elected that I began to pay any attention at all to what was going on. Then when Trump came along and began dismantling this country’s ideals and standards, I became very interested. And worried.

None of us can predict the future. The best we can do is try and influence the direction it takes, not by our words, but by our actions. And at this particular moment in space and time, our concentrated action must be to VOTE. And then “think positive” that under new leadership, this country will resume its respected and admired place on the world’s stage.

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54 thoughts on “Above All … VOTE!

  1. Hey to be the doom and gloomer, but it won’t matter. we are facing an extinction level event here, and Biden, the Senator from MBNA, does not have the ability or interest in dealing with it.

    “Instead, if you go to the basic physics of the issue, you’ll discover that models are certainly wrong as predictive tools simply because they can’t include the non-linear forces that push the system to change its state. But physics tells you that the problem is way worse than models can calculate. That’s what Dr. Tao does.

    Once we do our due diligence, the results are — well — let’s say a bit uncomfortable. There are many uncertainties, but the robust result is that we are heading for disaster. We can’t even rule out the total extinction of the biosphere. But even the consequences of a warming over 3-4 °C would be more than sufficient for the extinction of our civilization, if not of humans as a species.

    It may well be too late for conventional solutions: double-pane windows and bicycling to work won’t help us much. Even if we could switch to 100% renewable energy tomorrow morning, the warming trajectory may well continue along with the current trends. So, how early is too late? We don’t know, but Dr. Tao has a nice touch when he looks at the audience and says: “all of you will experience some of these effects” (and some in the audience have white hair.).”

    https://cassandralegacy.blogspot.com/

    Can you imagine how the geoengineering project described here could even be CONSIDERED, let alone implemented, under the current organizational structure of human society. No worries, I am sure “climate action plans” prepared by earnest highly paid consultants…and Teslas and being Vegan will solve the problem!

    The good Italian professor also points out the illogical nature verging on hysteria of the COVID crisis while we are ignoring bigger problems. (I actually agree the response and recommendations have often been completely illogical and poorly defended), but that is another topic I have expounded on over tat Maka’s place. (And no, I am not agreeing with That Thing’s incompetence. But there are so many things wrong with the COVID response)

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  2. Nan, I can understand where your husband is coming from. Many people when they vote a certain way are not just considering the presidency. They are looking to place a political party in power that most closely aligns with their own ideals and best vision for policies to shape the direction of the country. I also feel like it’s also very much about the direction of the supreme court. Think about it? A president is in power for just a few years. But, these justices will shape policy for decades. . Frankly, I felt the tenor of last night’s debate was a disgrace on both sides of the aisle. It reminded me of a scene from “Grumpy Old Men.” I cannot understand why sensible adults cannot engage in civil discussion with each other without resorting to this name-calling and personal attacks.

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    • It reminded me of a scene from “Grumpy Old Men.”

      Hilarious. I left this comment on Neil Godfrey’s blog this very morning!

      As a ”foreign” onlooker I think Trump is definitely worth betting a few shekels on for another term.
      In fact, although not a shoe-in I reckon he will win again, simply because the ”other side” doesn’t seem to have a candidate with a distinct enough personality to knock Donald ( buffoon that he is) off his perch!
      The whole scenario is beginning to look like an outtake from Grumpy Old Men, and Lemmon and Mattheau would probably have done a better job!

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    • I cannot understand why sensible adults cannot engage in civil discussion with each other without resorting to this name-calling and personal attacks.

      Boy-oh-boy! You left yourself wide open on that one! Your favored choice for the person to lead this country another four years has that quality down to a fine art. Maybe you should ask him to explain it to you.

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  3. “Over the years, for whatever reason, they (Trump supporters) have formed negative ideas about Democratic policies and actions…”

    Maybe there are very good reasons for this highly negative opinion – powerful enough to find Trump as a better alternative. I think that’s a central concern basically ignored.

    “…to the point that, in many cases, there is simply no reasoning with them.”

    If one doesn’t understand the reasons – take the time and spend the effort to demonstrate that one understands these reasons first and address them effectively – then and only then can the latter part of the sentence be legitimate. I think that legitimacy from so many Trump critics is sadly lacking but dismissal often the first defence drawn up to wave away the root problem that causes support for Trump. Those reasons presumed to be either inconsequential or deplorable.

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    • while I agree with you, at the same time I think you overestimate the rationality for Trump support. I know you think systemic racism is a joke and anyone bringing up the issues is a SJW, but I think much of Trump’s support is a combination of racism and religious fervor and old Lost Cause Confederate narcissism.

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      • I have no doubt you are right about these supporters. But unless you presume they make up almost 50% of the voting population, then perhaps something else is going on, something the Democratic Party, the mass media, and the vast majority of centre-of-the-political-spectrum voters simply aren’t understanding/grasping/addressing. Waving them away as a group of ‘deplorables’ immune to reason might feel good, might grant us some peace of mind that, hey, they’re just insane, but it fixes nothing. The fact that Trump is actually polling not far behind a ‘normal’ person should be a wake-up call even to the most optimistic person, the most fervent SJW, the most ardent BLM supporter, the most virtuous of virtue signallers, and the most woke of the Woke. That inability to understand the reasons for Trump support across then political spectrum is not a problem just for this election, not just for this generation, but for every election to follow, not for people today but for generations to come. It is an issue of HUGE proportions mostly being waved away as a problem only people who want to cause a problem raise. You know, people who are racists, bigots, stupid, beyond reason, and so on. How’s that strategy working?

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        • And, in your opinion, the problem is … ?? Further, your suggestions on how it might be “fixed”?

          No long dissertation, please. Just some suggestions, as you see it, that might put “u.s.” on the right track.

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          • In order to have a solution, the problem has to be understood. The problem here has a history, not least of which can be directly attributable to eliminating the fairness doctrine of the United States Federal Communications Commission in 1987. So the very first step is to work to re-establish it as law.

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            • Yes, I would agree such an action would greatly help, but I think YOU would agree it’s only a partial solution.

              I really appreciate and respect your knowledge of U.S. history and related political decisions. It’s unfortunate that so many who live here haven’t a clue.

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            • Whenever one speaks with a Trump supporter about the reasons for his or her support, has anyone noticed that the response is almost always about the Democrats? To a somewhat lesser extent, the same seems to be the case for those who support the Democrats: it’s almost always about the Republicans.

              I think this is very interesting because it reveals something important: it’s what I call negative support. I’m supporting this guy, this party, this agenda, because that other guy, that other party, that other agenda is worse. I see this constantly in operation.

              The take away for me is that – as Nan has already pointed out – on an emotional scale of balance, dislike/distrust/hatred of the ‘Left’ for the typical Trump/Republican supporter exceeds any like/trust/patriotism of the ‘Right’. But equally concerning is that I find the same seems to be true for a Biden supporter, that the dislike/distrust/hatred of the ‘Right’ for the typical Biden/Democrat supporter exceeds any like/trust/patriotism of the ‘Left’. In other words, both sides are the problem of finding unity of purpose, of protecting shared values, shared rights, shared freedoms. (Isn’t this the same problem of creating ‘winners’ and ‘losers’ when religious folk try to gain political power for privileging their agenda?)

              Why does this observation matter?

              Well, what this tells me is that there is an active faith-based belief hard at work across the political spectrum: it’s the other guy’s fault, the other team’s fault, the other side’s lack of virtue/morality/ethics/reason, whatever. It is a rock solid belief in Us and Them. It is this faith-based belief – and the fuel of interpretation that powers the Us versus Them mantra – that is the core problem here. Such a belief – this widespread indoctrination of promoting negative support, framing everything as an Us and Them model of the world – that has not, does not, and never shall allow for unity of purpose, allow respect for shared values and shared concerns, and today too the extent of actually questioning a shared reality by the use of the term ‘believe’. It’s ubiquitous, and far more insidious when at the core of politics like I think it is today than when it was isolated once upon a time mostly within the confines of religion.

              We need to stop believing in this Us and Them framework and rise to the occasion.

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            • This — It is a rock solid belief in Us and Them. — has been used by Trump ever since he first declared his candidacy for president. And over time, he has honed it to near perfection. Is there any wonder that it’s become a tactic-du-jour in today’s political scene?

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            • That’s why I go back to the change in legislation; the first iteration we see of the real problem is about dividing people into partisan camps… in this particular case intentionally by mass media bias done to manufacture a loyal following. It’s how religious loyalty works, too: intentionally dividing people into Us and Them and convincing people this dividing line is real, that Us is somehow better, more moral and ethical, more perceptive and special and justified, than those is the Them camp.

              The divide is not real but made so when people believe it is so.

              So targeting the basis of that dividing line and showing that its precepts are false is how atheism became a legitimate counterforce to vacuous yet highly divisive religious belief.

              I think the same effort to the false narrative about the reality of Us v Them has to be applied politically to begin to solve the problem of a Trump.

              Yes, religious people are ultimately the engine behind religious belief but vilifying them doesn’t address the problem any more than admitting politicized people who believe in the Us v Them partisan landscape are ultimately the engine behind the Us v Them divisive belief. That’s why Trump is but a symptom, as is Bolsonaro and Johnson: populists taking advantage of the manufactured divide. Believing the manufactured divide is real and important and meaningful is the core problem.

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        • I also see your point as well. But there is a sense of frustration when we bang our heads against the sheer cult-like faith of the typical Trump supporter. I don’t believe it is 50% (more like 20-30% if we are lucky). But even the undecideds seem irrational at this point in history. Or simply uninformed. And I agree that the Democratic Party is almost worthless.

          Maybe because there is no easy strategy to address the multiple issues facing the creaking, cracking, failing structure of modern late catabolic capitalism? especially given climate change. (throw in the vast loss of jobs due to A.I. and the destruction of traditional retail. And COVID) Hard core communism doesn’t seem to work. European social democracy is certainly more kind than American toxic capitalism, but it will not survive the coming mass immigration pressures as the Sahel, the Middle East, Southwest Asia, and much of Africa becomes unlivable due to climate change. Maybe the Godbots are correct and the only possible stable culture will be some kind of Gilead? Even if it is nonsense, it makes a great unifying force.’

          I have no answers.

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          • l also disagree that the divide is unreal. That is a very hopeful, simplistic view of the ideological divide. It may be exacerbated, manufactured, but your response seems a bit…blithe.

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            • Unity is a fundamental principle of liberal democracy in the sense that we are all the same in rights and freedoms and responsibilities. This Enlightenment principle of individual equality in law has been a work in progress that unquestionably empowered the righting of many deeply entrenched historical wrongs. This aspect of correction, of real social progress, real social justice reducing and trying to legally eliminate discrimination based on race, religion, gender, sexual preference, and so on) has been a renowned liberal success over time but has been under sustained attack for the past 25 years not just by the usual crowd of commercial, religious, and political despots who wish to alter this equation for personal gain (through legal privilege and removal of public regulation) but from those who once fully supported the ideal in public policy and regulation, namely the vast center of the voting public – Us – who have been partitioned – especially by the social sciences and media into either left or right political camps, racial camps, gender camps, religious camps, and so on. In the past five years, this stratification of Us into a framework of Us and Them has been partitioned even more drastically, namely between the extreme Left wing ideologues and everything else lumped into an alt-Right ideological cartoon. That’s where the majority of Trump supporters have been placed – not by choice but by well advertised and demonized fiat. If you not with us (insert the latest cause you want) or you’re against us. Because the divide is always shifting, we know it’s not real; it is made meaningful only by belief, only by going along with the belief supposedly to get along within the belief. But this belief is the hungry tiger of metaphor. It will devour everyone and destroy our liberal democracy regardless of which camp one may believe is the ‘correct’ one, the ‘virtuous’ one, in this rendition the one the majority of voters should elect.

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  4. I’ve voted already, and I stood in line three hours to be able to do it. My spouse and my grown children have voted already too, and my mom has sent in her absentee ballot. So there’s five votes toward getting us back to sanity.

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  5. My mother used to use a phrase now and then: ‘He’s got the patience of Jobe.’ While it’s a religious reference, and I’m not religious, I must say that you yourself must have the patience of Jobe as it pertains to your husband. I couldn’t do it! My wife, who also wasn’t very political — until she met me — is on the same side as I am. It makes for a much more peaceful house! But obviously you two have figured out it’s just not something you can really talk about. The less said, the better…..I admire your restraint!!!

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  6. Hell, I love Trump and hate the Dems SOOOOO much that I’ve formed my own branch of the Proud Boys in my hood and regularly beat the crap outta blacks, Jews, Latinos, women, and libtards. Hell, I’ve ALWAYS hated libtards so, why not vote for Trump. He’s the bestest there is! Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to beat the sh*t outta my mailman cause he’s black and probably one’a dem der BLM mother effers! GO TRUMP GO!!!!! EFF THOSE DEMS!!!

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      • Oh, Nan, at my Proud Boys meeting last night, right after we discussed how VERY close we are to an all white, all Christian, all GREAT America, I mentioned your significant other and how…well….how “proud” I am of him and others like him who are voting for Trump and helping us Boys realize our view of America. See, unfortunately, while we may be “proud” boys, there aren’t enough of us on our own to elect Trump. BUT, with the great help of “Republicans” like your significant other, we WILL win on Nov 3rd, and we WILL make America white, pure, Christian, and filled with Jesus’s all-encompassing love for everyone very, very soon. If you’d like, I can send you a t-shirt that has “Get The Blacks Outta My Country: Vote Trump” for your partner to wear. Hell, I think EVERY Trump voter needs to “proudly” wear one’a these babies! I’ve worn mine at every cross burning I’ve attended this year–and I’ve worn it “Proudly”! 🙂

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        • Inspired, I know you are teasin around here. But, have you any experience/knowledge of those churches were the pastor seems to always be fixated on the “sin” of sexual immorality, or homosexuality. You know, it’s behind every bush. And, then it turns out the religious leader is actually very much struggling with this in his own life. It’s a form of projection. At least to some degree, I think folks who are focused on race, looking for racism everywhere, may actually be those who at some level struggle with this the most.. It’s like a kind of misplaced “white guilt,” that hasn’t led to any real, lasting solutions.

          Or, I also think that folks know how to gin up the “race card” for their own political advantage as well. I think it’s helped to keep democratic political leaders in power in some of these depressed urban areas for decades. Hey, know everyone disagrees, and I respect that. But, this is my opinion…

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            • No, Nan, no way.. I don’t know Jeff. I”m speaking in a general way. Do you feel there’s any validity to what I’m saying?

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            • You may have been speaking “in a general way,” but when you start your comment with “Inspired, I know you are teasin,” it’s difficult to interpret it as anything but directed to him.

              Yes, your remarks related to projection have some truth behind them, but in this instance, they were most definitely not well-placed in the discussion thread.

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  7. Nan, as a former Republican(and Democrat) who has been an independent for about twelve years, I would encourage your husband to consider the Republican Party did not vote on a platform at their convention, so as one reporter said it is whatever Trump says it is. I also find it of interest that The Lincoln Project, Republicans for the Rule of Law, Republican Voters against Trump among others held a separate convention in Charlotte.

    He may not listen to this old fart, but the Trump Party does not stand for a few underlying principles:
    – global trade – Trump is retrenching America and we cannot shrink to greatness
    – global diplomacy – a foreign diplomat said America’s strengths are its military and allied relationships, the latter of which we have frittered away
    – fiscal stewardship – a president who has declared bankruptcy six times is not the best steward and the party passed a tax bill that increased our debt by $1.5 trillion
    – law and order – the laws do not apply to this president and his friends.

    Your beau may support folks in this party, but to call it the Republican Party is a misnomer, at least in my view.

    Keith

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  8. Wow…I feel for you. And to me, the Republican Party is not what it use to be or use to stand for. It is now the trump republican party of racism, division, and disenfranchisement of the middle and lower middle classes to enhance the super wealthy.
    Just like Christianity is now the trump Christians. It has all changed. What your husband may support is a memory of how it use to be, I’m afraid.
    My late husband would have probably been a trump supporter (I shudder to think) and it would have made for a very difficult marriage.

    Good luck…you seem strong enough to handle it.

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    • Thank you, Mary. I “handle” it by doing all I can to avoid any political discussions. 😉

      What I found rather interesting is that instead of defending his Republican leanings, he immediately went on the attack against Democrats. I guess it’s the old “I’m right, you’re wrong” type of argument — and one that seems to be used quite frequently in today’s political “discussions.”

      I don’t agree with everything in the Democratic platform, but the one thing that stands out to me is their desire to help the common people. It just makes sense to me that we’re all in this together and we should do whatever we can to make life easier and better for all of us.

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      • Nan, I just read that former Afghan commander General Stanley McChrystal just endorsed Joe Biden today and Trump’s former Director of Homeland Security, HR McMaster said Trump is doing Putin’s bidding.

        As for your beau, what I like to tell folks is both parties have some good ideas and both parties have some bad ideas. To think one’s party has only good ones is a fallacy, just as thinking the other party has only bad ones is as well. This is a key reason we must listen to each other.

        Keith

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        • This is a key reason we must listen to each other.

          I totally agree but unfortunately, too many put their fingers in their ears and “sing” when someone doesn’t agree with them.

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  9. …Above all – Vote!…That was done in 2016. The Democrats obtained 51 % (nearly three million votes more! However, everybody was surprised to learn the well-known illogical outcome, due to the existence of the Electoral College. Are there any intentions to abolish this Institution?
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  10. Admittedly our systems are very different and the minor political parties here typically occupy between 20% and 30% of the seats in the Parliament, and in my voting “career” I have voted for at five or six different political parties, but it seems more rational to vote for what one values than against what one does not value.

    If I was a supporter of what the Republican party stood for until the Trump phenomenon occurred, then I would be voting for Republican representatives in the legislature(s) while voting for the person I felt was most suitable for the role of POTUS. Especially as the POTUS has so much executive power as well as political power – something not available to any politician in this country.

    There’s nothing shameful about splitting votes. In this country around half the electors do it.

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    • A problem for some Republicans is that Trump does not stand for what they stand for. He stands for Trump. He’s using the presidency for his own gain and cares nothing about family values, free trade, fiscal conservativism… typical Republican values.

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      • I soooo wish his supporters could see this. But they are so hornswaggled by his constant and ongoing rhetoric that they seem to have lost all contact with reality.

        I recognize there are differences in political viewpoints. We are not now and never have been “one for all and all for one.” But what is so disheartening is the division and dissension between friends and family members that Trump has caused. Disagreement in political views is one thing, but the hatred and anger and threats of violence is downright scary.

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  11. “keep Christ in Christmas” ROFLMAO … like Christ wasn’t in Christmas during ANY of the Democratic presidents’ terms of the past

    AND

    like nobody ever said “Happy Holidays” in the past … your partner should watch some movies from the 1940’s & listen to some Bing Crosby … he actually SANG a song called “Happy Holidays” … the melody is running through my head at this very moment

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    • Certainly Christ is in Christmas! But evangelicals are convinced the “liberals” want all reference to (and practice of) Christianity to be removed. Trump knows this and plays it up every chance he gets.

      Of course this isn’t the case, but as with all things Trump, he has learned that exaggeration plays in his favor.

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  12. I have much sympathy for partnered/married folks with opposing political views. Many are my friends and I hear about it. Years ago I would have said “religious views” rather than “political.” But how things have changed. I don’t know if I could do it.

    Four years ago when I learned that D. Trump was elected POTUS by Electoral College count, I looked at my wife and said, “fasten your seat belt.” Maybe I cannot predict any future, but even many Republicans want their country and their party (of Lincoln) back.

    If they can’t vote for a better America, as in the case your “other-half,” and they do not like what Trump is doing to party and country, then just do not vote. A vote for DT or any of his supporters is a vote for disaster no matter your views, party, or religion.

    They wanted me to give DT a chance. I did. But had no choice. Now I want them to give Joe the same chance. Good grief, can’t they see what’s happening?

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    • Unfortunately, as I tried to get across in my post, my other-half tends to be more “anti-Democrat” than “pro-Republican.” This is why, even though he detests Trump, he will vote for him just so the Republicans will stay in power.

      I TOTALLY agree with your statement: ” A vote for DT or any of his supporters is a vote for disaster no matter your views, party, or religion.”

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      • Yes, Nan. I ‘ve read for years that many people are more anti-something (liberal, equality, gay, etc.) than they are pro-anything. It is the reason negative campaign commercials are so effective. At least he is not an enthusiastic cult member. 🙂

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      • A vote for Trump is a vote to continue this chaos. To not vote also counts as a vote for Trump. It was all those people who did not turn out in 2016 that allowed Trump to become president. My vote is in.

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    • Becky, a little help with my blog … even when there isn’t a “reply” button after the last comment in a discussion, you can still maintain the thread by using the last “reply” button that’s shown — even if it’s several comments earlier. By doing this, your remarks will then be placed under the last posted comment.

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