And On and On It Goes

Several bloggers have addressed the topic of the Mueller Report, along with the proceedings that took place on Wednesday, July 24th. Many individuals have offered their thoughts/opinions via comments and other feedback, and while I agree with much of what has been offered, I also disagree with various points.

Rather than visit every source of discussion and offer/repeat my personal take on things, I decided to use this blog to offer some thoughts for your consideration.

  1. I tend to think Mueller was hesitant is his responses because he is/was like many others who are (or have been) serving in this administration. They are AFRAID to step too far out of the circle for fear of reprisal. I’m well aware of Mueller’s esteemed qualifications, but it’s still my personal opinion that tRumpsky wields more power “behind the scenes” than most of us are aware of. In fact, IMO, he is nothing short of a “mob boss,” meaning he has control over a very wide network of individuals who will do his bidding … whatever that may consist of. And if you don’t think he’s made this fact known to those who oppose him, you’re living in Alice’s world.
  2. It’s my opinion that VERY FEW of tRumpsky’s supporters have read the Mueller report. And I would guess only a very small minority actually watched yesterday’s proceedings. Why should they? Their esteemed leader has declared his innocence in any and all matters addressed in the report. And since Faux News has backed this up, that’s good enough for them.
  3. Lastly, while many are advancing the idea of impeachment, I have reservations about the action. Yes, overall, the process itself has merit, but IMO, it will NOT get past the Senate. The Republicans are too firmly in DEBT to “his majesty” to ever force him out of office. And if, as I suspect, he’s taken “off the hook,” I dread to think of the aftereffects many of us will be forced to endure.

Where any of this ends is anyone’s guess. Unfortunately, I tend to think we’re “stuck” with the status quo at least until the 2020 elections. tRumpsky will continue to tweet his lies and nasty insults. He will continue to appoint members to his administration who will do his bidding. He will continue to ruin our reputation among other countries. And he will continue to kiss the butt of those individuals who (as the Mueller Report clearly addressed) helped him win the election.

It’s unfortunate this individual has been able to take advantage of the gullible. But the really sad part is they’re not going to see what he has done to this country (and the world) until it’s too late.

74 thoughts on “And On and On It Goes

  1. It’s true that impeachment has no chance of getting through the Senate, so it would not remove Trump and would probably leave him stronger for the election since he could (a) claim vindication and (b) whip up his supporters even more by ranting about the “plot” to remove him. Pelosi understands this. A lot of bloggers don’t.

    I think Congressional Republicans in general are afraid more of Trump’s supporters than of Trump himself. They know that if they challenged Trump, his knuckle-dragging legions would be outraged and refuse to vote for them, or even support primary challengers against them. Basically, they’re cowards, more concerned about being re-elected than about what’s good for the country.

    The only thing that could make a successful impeachment possible is the Epstein case. Remember, Epstein probably kept photographic and video evidence of associates of his sexually abusing underage girls, evidence which is now in the hands of the authorities. If that kind of evidence were to emerge against Trump (and remember, we don’t know he’s guilty of such crimes, but if he is, Epstein probably has photographs/video), that might be enough to turn many of his supporters against him. Even Trumpanzees have daughters or granddaughters. If public opinion shifts enough that it’s politically safer for Senate Republicans to vote for removal than to vote against it, then and only then will they do it.

    But I never though Mueller’s testimony would move the needle at all. I also doubt many Trumpanzees watched it, and I’ll be surprised if it drew a large audience of any stripe, despite the enormous hype. Most of this stuff is just a distraction from our real chance to get Trump out — the election.

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    • I would like to think the Epstein fiasco will shake things up; however, so far nothing has been able to move the needle … even though there were many who were CERTAIN this or that action would be the proverbial straw. It almost seems he’s untouchable … which goes back to my assertion of “mob boss.” IMO, the only thing that has kept things “real” has been the diligent news people and their hard-hitting reporting.

      I don’t like playing the negative game, but thus far, none of the “predictions” of doom have transpired. It’s almost like he’s performed mass hypnosis on his supporters. And yes, I agree the thought of losing their gravy train plays a major role from the Republican’s side.

      Thanks for your input. You always tend to be quite sensible in your perspective of things. 🙂

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      • Agree, Nan. I actually think his cult would be ok if there were pictures of trump and underage girls. They would say it was fake pictures because that’s what he would say. They also say it doesn’t matter because god was using him for the greater good.

        Jim Jones on steroids minus the koolaid…so far.

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  2. I agree with your assessment, my only reservation is sworn duty of the congress to uphold oversight of the executive branch. I realize there could be political repercussions because our republican senators have stooped to the lowest common denominator and seem to be coward s across the board. Still, no no one is above the law as we have heard repeatedly and yet is seems Trump’s maneuvering of the Dept of Justice ( better stated the Trump legal team with Barr assuming the role of Trumps attorney and defender rather than the nations dept of justice) has managed to achieve that status for Trump. It seems Congress ‘s wavering in the impeachment of this lying illegitimate president only confirms that politics comes before justice. Our democracy is seriously threatened by this corrupt gang …where will it end?

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    • IF … and that’s VERY big “if” … tRumpsky was removed via impeachment, it would be one of history’s finest hours. But again, if the action failed, I fear those of us who see this creature for what he is would suffer greatly.

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      • It entirely possible and even probable the far right senators would not allow the removal of Trump. As we know Clinton wS impeached but remained in office. Still, the congressional branch provided oversight, called out the president for misdeeds. I’m Trumps case , crimes, and according to our constitution our congress is delegated
        The responsibility of calling him out , demanding he gave the consequences of impeachment, if he remains in office he will continue his fight for an autocracy. He implied that he could serve beyond his 2 year term or the country might face a revolution. We should follow the laws our forefathers put in place.

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        • Your points are well-made. I guess all we can do at this point is wait and see.

          I suppose there is one advantage to an impeachment action … his supporters might be forced to view their esteemed leader in a different light. And that can’t be all bad.

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        • I agree with all of this, however, this late in the game it does seem that impeachment will leave a stain on the table cloth but not much else. No one really wants this, but they do like to make the appropriate noises, like kids fussing about not being allowed out for recess. They may well be afraid of what happens in their home states if it goes through. Cowardly, perhaps, but a sitting senator has a lot more clout than a retired one.

          they are truly, and understandably, afraid of this man. If he calls a senator a fool, his fan club takes up the chant. If he calls a woman senator a tramp and an immigrant, the roar of approval is amazing.

          And Pence just sits, and watches and watches and sits. If something happens to Trump, loon that he is, Pence is next in line and that does NOT comfort me.

          And since his fan club has him readied for sainthood, I suspect impeaching him would not turn them against him, it would make them jesus harder for him. After all, when you have a hero who can do no wrong, you just don’t walk away from him, do you? You tighten up the ranks, you defend him.

          I do feel sorry for mueller, and like you, I wonder what has transpired in places where we don’t get to go. I see Trump as a well dressed mob boss, with tiny fingers in every pie…

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        • Ahhh yes … the Pence. Not much mention of him, eh? But you’re right. He just sits and waits and watches … silently waiting for the shoe to drop. Egads! If for no other reason, perhaps we should not be so anxious for impeachment!

          Love your last line … 😈

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  3. 1. “Mob boss” is spot on. Those are the type of men tRump has always been around, gravitated to, and envied/admired most all of his life.

    2. Any American citizen who supports Mob-boss tRump does NOT understand our democratic Constitutional laws and framework, particularly the Checks-and-Balances aspect and mechanisms. Period. In short, NO ONE is ever above the Law. Not even any President, ever.

    3. Our entire government system — from Washington D.C. to all 50 states and their state governments, all essentially miniatures mimicking our Federal Branches — has been adequately shown to have been strategically overtaken by the Conservative Right and a few radical extremists since AT LEAST 2001, but absolutely seized and enslaved since 2010 with Citizens United versus the FEC which allows Dark Money to infiltrate all aspects of our federal and state elections and judicial systems and appointments. Period.

    4. When has U.S. policy, diplomacy, foreign affairs, and press releases EVER been openly conducted on Twitter and social-media!? Social-media is and will forever be a platform for teenage gossip and/or self-promotion inside egocentric bubbles. Prime example? Worst case scenario? March 15, 2019, Christchurch, New Zealand at the Al Noor Mosque. Teenage rage and self-promotion inside an egocentric (psychopathic) bubble. Our own President uses the same teenage platform to conduct matters of the State!

    If we are forced to go through 4 more years of this — maybe more? — then the Law and spirit of true Constitutional Democracy is clearly in the ER, in critical condition, in a coma, and on life-support.

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      • Please, please, PLEASE history… prove me wrong!!! I’m begging you to!!!

        But Nan, I’m afraid we need to be realistic. I mean, look what is happening or threatening Roe vs. Wade, digression of ethnic and creedal civic/basic rights (we’re still struggling with & fighting the Civil War!), the symbolic meaning behind Lady Liberty basically LOST, increasing inequality both in economic and social sectors for the last 50-75 years, or the attacks and dismantling of our public institutions and programs that includes our public education system.

        I mean, WHEN has a Mob-boss willingly surrendered his absolute power and rule to another Mob-boss, let alone a rival WITH actual experience in ALL roles of governing a state or nation? There are some who say tRump won’t leave the White House peacefully even after his last term. Are Americans really that scared of a Wizard of Oz!!!!?????

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        • There are some who say tRump won’t leave the White House peacefully even after his last term.

          I’ve seen some discussion of that issue elsewhere on the net. Basically, I’m not too worried. Almost all the President’s powers depend on other people obeying his orders, and if he lost the election, effective on January 20th he would no longer be the President and they would simply stop obeying him. He’s got Congressional Republicans terrified of his slavering Deliverance-mutant followers, but the executive branch is another matter. He’s deeply antagonized groups like the intelligence agencies and the military leadership with his insults and disrespect and commandeering them for pet projects like his stupid parade. And a fair number of career civil servants, even Republicans, actually take their duties to the Constitution seriously.

          And when it gets right down to it, any move by Trump which would mean essentially abandoning democracy and making him a duce-type figure would get a lot less support even from the most corrupt Republicans than you might think. Trump’s time in office has shown that he’s endlessly capricious and will abandon and turn against even loyal toadies at the slightest provocation. Even those who are in favor with him at the moment know he might do the same to them. The thought of him acquiring the kind of unconstrained power he wants should scare them, a lot.

          Finally, there’s the fundamental fact that Trump is stupid. He’s made endless mistakes such as pointlessly alienating powerful people, and taking actions like the tariff wars that hurt his own base. He’s impulsive, unwilling to learn, and does not plan or think clearly. If the President were someone similarly evil but also intelligent, like Steve Bannon, I’d be a lot more worried. Trump is basically a blunderer.

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        • Infidel, I am comforted by your reality-check and optimism. I truly am.

          However, just to keep a sensible, rational realization (based on human history) about crowds and how gullible and easily riled-up a Mob-Herd(mentality) can be manipulated — Nazi party-followers come first to mind — to believe, say, and do ANYTHING… reminds me of Murphy’s Law, that “things will go wrong in any given situation,” especially if it is repeated enough. And how many times has history repeated itself? :/

          I was chatting with a dear WordPress Friend of mine (Hariod) earlier this week about the Boris Johnson/Don Trump comparisons and parallels. He mentioned one great distinction that is MORE than night and day!

          Johnson differs from Trump in respect to him being self-aware (as to his highly-cultivated act of tomfoolery which he initiated in his student days at Oxford University) and in having a keen intellect, a thorough cultural/historical perspective and good grasp of European history particularly).

          Hah! Yeah, Oxford University is a little different than The Warton School of Business, huh!? 😛 Hariod went on to say “That said, [Boris Johnson] is generally considered Trump-like in being a thoroughly unpleasant character…” Ya think? That puts it rather mildly! LOL

          tRump is certainly not a Steve Bannon. In fact, I’d wager he would struggle severely to pretend he is Peter Gotti. Here’s some background if you’re unfamiliar:

          As far as gangster types, I rate Donny tRump as Moe Dickstein in the 1986 film Wise Guys. 😆

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        • The Trump/Johnson comparison is absurd and, to me, offensive. Johnson has a long track record as mayor of London which showed him to be a fairly typical British moderate conservative. As far as I can tell, the comparison with Trump is based on nothing more than a slight physical resemblance, a tendency toward iconoclasm, and the usual American inability to understand the politics of foreign countries except by superficial and invalid analogies with American politics. Brexit is a huge issue which would be off-topic for this thread, but frankly Johnson’s blunt and ruthless approach is exactly what’s needed now.

          The masses, particularly the ignorant and chronically-enraged subset thereof which makes up the Trumpanzees, are indeed often easy to manipulate. Fortunately, we are a republic and not a direct democracy (as the Republicans are so fond of pointing out). People like the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the heads of our intelligence agencies, and the middle-level federal bureaucracy are not so easily manipulated — and it is they, not the denizens of rural Alabama trailer parks, who would decide the fate of any attempt by Trump to replace democracy with strongman rule.

          I’m not familiar with Wise Guys or the character of Moe Dickstein — but I would rate Trump’s leadership as more on the level of Moe from the Three Stooges, though somewhat less smart.

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  4. Excellent assessment. I go back and forth on impeachment. On the one hand, doing so would only result in an exoneration from the why even do it? On the other however, doing nothing leaves the door open to future presidents, as it would set a dangerous precedent that we let this guy get away with all the crap he’s been getting away with. Right now, I think an actual impeachment inquiry may be the best option. It gives Dems a little more ammunition and will force Trump’s minions to face the music and testify. Then, we let the chips fall wherever they may. Of course tomorrow I might change my mind…lol….

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    • As I mentioned (above) to HoH, there could be some advantages to impeachment. But I still have considerable reservations. I just don’t think it will accomplish what many of us would like to see. One thing is certain, if the Dems go forward with it, the twitter network will be set afire!!

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      • …if the Dems go forward with it, the twitter network will be set afire!!

        😆 This reminds me of the “Downfall” parodies video spoofs they did after tRump’s 2017 inauguration HUGE crowds of billions & gazillions of ‘euphoric supporters’! Remember?

        I have the bigliest crowds! — I will unleash the Tweet-waffe on their asses!” Bwahahahaha!!! 🤣🤣🤣

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    • An impeachment inquiry would probably be a good move. It would allow for further investigations by the House and would not automatically lead to an actual impeachment (which would probably improve Trump’s chances of re-election).

      I wouldn’t count on it to move the needle of public opinion much, though. And even an inquiry might backfire. Only 21% of the public supports impeachment, and that number is falling over time. The great mass of non-political-junkie people are just not very interested in most of these issues and haven’t bothered to learn much about them. They want to see the government focused on doing things that are of immediate practical benefit to them.

      This is why I say that the Epstein case, if evidence surfaces of Trump’s involvement in such activities, is about the only thing that might really change mass opinion. Child molestation is both disgusting and salacious, which means it’s the kind of thing that will attract wide interest. All this stuff about emoluments and Trump Tower Moscow and all these nuanced disputes about whether this or that action of Trump’s proves collusion or constituted obstruction of justice is just skull-grindingly boring. Most people aren’t paying attention, and won’t, no matter what kind of hearings or whatever that stuff is packaged in.

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      • Hello Infidel. At the start of the Nixon impeachment / inquiry hearings only 14% of the people supported it. People became informed by the hearings and the more people learned, the more the needle moved until the Republicans had to go to Nixon and tell him they couldn’t support him. The impeachment inquiry hearings gives the House more authority and gets more information out in the public. Hugs

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      • I fear you might be right on people not caring. And that my friend, is a sad commentary on our country. Where people get there info these days is so fractured and partisan. Are civics and government even taught in schools anymore? We’re going in the wrong direction. If someone like Trump can last 4 years, I guess it wouldn’t surprise me if someone even worse than him could get elected. Yes, the Epstein thing might move the needle. Hell, I’m not even sure it would. I guess as long as people’s 401k’s are ok and they have a job? Maybe that’s the only thing that matters anymore. America spoke in 2018. It will have to speak loudly in 2020, and defeat this man so bad he won’t know what hit him.

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        • I think you’ve probably hit on something re: 401k’s and jobs. Especially the latter. So long as people are bringing in some kind of income, they seem to not care about anything else.

          Why else are so many laissez-faire about the environmental changes? Because it doesn’t affect their pocketbook (at least at the moment). Why don’t they complain about tRumpsky’s nastiness? Because it doesn’t affect their pocketbook. Why don’t they rise up against the obvious Russian hacking? Because it doesn’t affect their pocketbook. And on and on it goes.

          So long as food is on the table, gas is in the car, and they can take an occasional vacation … hey! Life goes on.

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        • Yep….it sure seems that way. Because if this guy gets reelected, literally it just won’t matter anymore who we throw in there, as long as the ‘pocketbook’ looks good. Sigh

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        • I’m thinking, too, that it’s not necessarily that they don’t care, but they feel there’s nothing they can do to change it. I feel much the same way; all we can do is just keep on keeping on, and hope that it works itself out. We only have one shot (you should excuse the expression) at this, once every four years. Beyond that, I think that sense of hopelessness just grows and grows.


        • Scottie, good points. However, Nixon was not generally liked by both parties, and his cronies were equally disliked. there was a LOT of behind the scenes crap that came out in the hearings, and we were relatively new to all of it. this president, no matter how much he keeps us up at night, has a following of rabid ankle biters, the kind of loyalty that Nixon never had.
          People didn’t really get all that upset about Nixon, there was enough drama swirling around him to take a lot of attention away from him. But trump inspires this open mouthed enthusiasm, I know not why. so did hitler.

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        • Yes, and the media platforms were lightyears different than where we are today. No FOX News or social media then. Most likely we would have had Tricky Dick for a full two terms if they were


  5. The best bet of getting rid of Trump is at the 2020 ballot box, except for the fact that gerrymandering can forge ahead with the blessing of the courts.No doubt other ways are being put into place to ensure that minorities will not be able to vote on the day.In 2018 the Republicans proved how bad they are by stopping private transport being allowed in minority areas to transport the elderly and disabled.
    I agree that many Von Trumpers won’t have read or seen the Mueller report. I think it’s important for the House to use the one weapon it’s been given, that of Impeachment.Not that it will ever be passed by those criminals in the Senate but so that those who didn’t read the report will hear just what Trump has been accused of, dealing with the enemy. That might be enough to put some of his followers off and perhaps even the evangelists who have put their faith in him will have second thoughts.It’s more about seeing the House doing it’s duty and the senate not that will give people pause.
    I hope you get your country back.
    Huge Hugs

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    • I hope you get your country back. SO DO WE!!!

      And I agree with your assessment related to the best way to get rid of tRumpsky. We just have to hope the process doesn’t get mangled by the “other side.”

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      • Or mangled by foreign enemy states, which we absolutely know beyond any shadow of doubt attacked our elections. Something this current Administration ignores as if we Americans dropped our ice creams on the sidewalk! 😮 “Oh, it will be alright. The ice cream truck will come back in four years.” Umm, that is unless it gets hijacked or sabotaged, again!!!!

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    • Gerrymendering doesn’t affect Presidential elections, though it does affect House elections, which are very important. We need to get control of as many state governments as possible so we will control redistricting after the next census.

      The new Jim Crow shenanigans to suppress the minority vote are a standing disgrace and a real danger to fair elections, but it’s hard to see what we can do about it right now except for legal challenges and escalated GOTV efforts to compensate. Only by winning elections can we get into a position to stop such practices.

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  6. Hello Nan. I agree there was “no fireworks” other than the Republicans throwing temper tantrums. However I do think there was good value in the hearings. I like information and fact, and we heard conformation of the facts of the report from Mueller himself. So now we clearly can push back hard on the lies told by tRump and crew and rub their noses in it. But to do that we need leaders who will use those sound bits and have some “life” in them while doing it. We also need some left leaning media other than a few places on the internet. We need some big money interests to give us the Larry King of the 1980’s talk radio. We need to flood the airwaves and TV with the Democratic talking points, rebutting the right wing misinformation, and simply getting the truth out there. Hugs

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    • Hello Nan. We know Republicans will use any advantage they can get to win. How they win is not important to them, only winning is. So of course they wont stop the foreign governments from helping them win elections. It is not about the people and their rights to the Republicans, it is about the parties power. Now if the assistance was going to the Democrats the Republicans would be screaming for election fixes at the top of their lungs. The love minority rule as long as it is them ruling. As for making voting harder Florida is cranking up the suppression tactics already. Hugs

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    • To me, this is the much more important story. Not “what did Trump do wrong that we can use against him” (which won’t work), but the fact that Russia and others are interfering with our election process, the very structures of our democratic republic. If election security wasn’t so tied to Trump, this would be (should be!) a bipartisan issue.

      I’m just as angry at Mitch McConnell, maybe more so, as I am at Trump. Blocking the Merrick Garland nomination was reprehensible. These men are not supporting and defending our Constitution.

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      • Blocking the Merrick Garland nomination was reprehensible.

        That was unforgivable. It was that action that convinced me we are justified in using any legal and democratically-valid tactic against the Republicans, so long as it will be effective. McConnell was abusing and perverting his role in the Senate in the raw, undisguised pursuit of power.

        If I were in charge of the Democratic party, my program would be:

        1. In 2020, hold the House, take the Presidency and the Senate
        2. Abolish the filibuster
        3. Pass legislation to enlarge the Supreme Court, and put non-wingnut judges in the new seats
        4. Pass federal legislation sweeping away all state-level gerrymandering and vote-suppression laws

        All these things are actually doable, with sufficient boldness on the part of our leaders. Once those things were done, the Republicans would never have another chance at real power on the federal level unless they drastically moderated their platform and/or the Democrats stupidly did something really unpopular. The Republican base is a minority, and a shrinking one. They depend on increasingly-blatant skullduggery to entrench minority rule. If they can’t do that, they can’t win, except in certain backward regions of the country.

        It’s simply a matter of securing democracy. The first requirement for our Presidential nominee is the ability to defeat Trump; the second is having the guts to do what needs to be done, once in office.

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        • @Infidel753:

          You wrote, Pass legislation to enlarge the Supreme Court …

          Beloved Ruth Bader Ginsburg rejects this idea. She said this in an interview:

          “Nine seems to be a good number. It’s been that way for a long time. I think it was a bad idea when President Franklin Roosevelt tried to pack the court. If anything would make the court look partisan, it would be that: one side saying, ‘When we’re in power, we’re going to enlarge the number of judges, so we would have more people who would vote the way we want them to.’”


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        • While I respect Notorious RBG, I reserve the right to advocate for a different opinion. The Supreme Court already does not merely look partisan, it actually is partisan, with two judges (Gorsuch and Kavanaugh) out of the nine who are there only because of flagrant violation of democratic norms and the process by which such judges have always been selected. One of them occupies a seat Obama should have filled, and both were appointed by a man who became President only due to Russian interference and unconstitutional laws designed to suppress the black vote. If our system were functioning as it should, Obama would have filled one of those seats and Hillary Clinton the other. If the issue of the stolen seats is left unaddressed, an illegitimate blatantly-partisan majority on the court could strike down whatever else a Democratic President and Congress did to reinstate democracy, to say nothing of other legislative priorities such as expanding access to health care.

          To truly undo the damage Republicans have done, the issue of the illegitimate majority they have established on the Supreme Court must be addressed. We need to be as ruthless in restoring democracy as they have been in tearing it down.

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  7. Agreed, Nan, I think you have it right here. My disclaimer is that I never thought Trump would be nominated, was utterly shocked when he was elected, and am still shocked. I can’t fathom how this could have happened. So I’m a bit gun-shy at predicting anything.

    But as you said, without a conviction and removal by the Senate (which the current Republican jellyfish will not do), I think impeachment is only going to fire up Trump’s base, and give him the chance to claim people are trying dirty tricks to steal his presidency. Utterly untrue, and in my opinion the things he’s done deserve impeachment and removal, no question. But going halfway is only going to help him, without solving the problem. We need to be smart about this.

    And as Infidel753 says, I think Pelosi has the right analysis: Impeachment is such an extreme measure that it must be bipartisan before you even consider it, and as things stand, it isn’t, not by a long-shot. Today’s Republicans are either fully-convinced, loud and loyal “deplorables,” or they weakly mutter about unpresidential things Trump says while quietly supporting him for the benefits, like Supreme Court justices.

    I’ll go father: Honestly I wonder if Pelosi keeping impeachment off the table is wise for another reason. Those most outraged about Trump want an outlet for that anger. Look at what happened in the 2018 elections. If they keep saying “impeach, impeach” and are told “no, no” that may fire them up to seize the one avenue they have — getting people to the polls in 2020 and sweeping the Toddler in Chief out of office. And I think an election loss would be a lot harder for Trump to fight than removal.

    I want Trump to face justice for what he’s done. And by all means, let’s continue the House investigations, let’s keep going to court to block his unconstitutional executive actions, let’s hold people in contempt who are contemptuous of the House’s oversight role. But to me, the most important thing is to get him out of office before he can do something really, really bad. I don’t think impeachment is a smart or workable way of doing that.

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    • Thanks for the support! You made some excellent points. One thing is for sure … there are many, many aspects to consider when it comes to going forth with impeachment.

      Part of me relishes the thought of tRumpsky having to deal with the action, but as I’ve expressed here and elsewhere, I just don’t think it’s the best move in the long run.

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      • Excellent post, Nan. And so many bright intelligent replies. Such a pleasure to read knowing there are sane thoughtful people out there, while I live in a sea of old red conservatives. I get weary.

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    • Hello Brent. tRump’s base is already fired up and will crawl nude over broken glass to vote for him. There is no more to fire up. He has the support of the cult, and nothing will shake them. However the other 60% of the country can get fired up. Getting the facts out there and give them a reason to turn out will win the election. As for the reason Pelosi keeps dangling impeachment with out going there is fund raising. She herself said she is the best fund raiser in the House and she uses tRump to raise a lot of money. He is the boogieman that keeps the cash coming in. Hugs

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    • was utterly shocked when he was elected, and am still shocked. I can’t fathom how this could have happened.

      How it could have happened?

      1. Republican vote-suppression laws
      2. Russian interference
      3. Comey’s last-minute backstab
      4. The Electoral College

      Absent any one of these factors (I call them the Four Horse’s-asses of the Apocalypse), Trump would not have won and Hillary would be President now. It was a freak event. Unfortunately low-probability events do sometimes happen.

      All the issues which are grounds for impeachment have already been covered extensively in the media. The public knows about them and isn’t much interested. Rehashing all the same stuff in an impeachment process won’t change that.

      But the election is winnable. Three of the above four factors will be at work again, plus Trump will have the advantage of incumbency, but there will be other factors working in our favor. The non-Trumpanzee majority now has seen, in a way many did not see in 2016, just how bad Trump is. And this time there won’t be an overconfident certainty that he can’t win. This time our side will be far more motivated, as we were in 2018.

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      • I do hope you are right. Your positivity is refreshing to read. Thank you for your clear-headed point of view on this. It is very hard for me not to fall into negative thinking and deep despair in regards to tRump and his band of raving Russian-loving idjits. 🙂

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      • I agree with your analysis of the factors that led to Trump’s electoral victory. All correct.

        What I meant was: I’m still having a hard time wrapping my mind around the fact that so many Americans looked at Trump, saw who he was, and voted for him. Trump is many things, but subtle is not one of them. He loudly and brazenly said and did many, many, many things during the campaign, any one of which would have been fatal to his predecessors’ campaigns. Can you imagine any significant number of them saying, “We didn’t know he was like that. If I’d known, I wouldn’t have voted for him?” No, they saw him for who he was, and they chose him. And it was enough people to get him nominated and then elected. Enough people to sadden and worry me about the future of this country.

        And the confirmation is that they’ve stuck with him. Scottie is right (above); the same group of people that voted for him last time will do it again, virtually all of them. What we need is for those that didn’t vote last time to get to the polls this time. People who thought their vote wouldn’t matter, or Hillary was sure to win, or (alternatively) who hated both choices and opted out. We need more people this time to turn out to vote, and choose not-Trump. That’s the hope. So:

        The non-Trumpanzee majority now has seen, in a way many did not see in 2016, just how bad Trump is. And this time there won’t be an overconfident certainty that he can’t win. This time our side will be far more motivated, as we were in 2018.

        Yes! Exactly.

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    • I came across this yesterday. Haven’t spent much time on it as yet, but I found these statements rather, shall I say, unsettling …

      –The Family believes the separation of church and state is unnecessary
      –the Bible is a story about power, not mercy
      –they funnel millions of dollars through tax-free corporations

      The disconcerting thing is this is not something that can be easily dismissed since the government is the core of this nation.

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  8. Several sources have put forth the idea of an “impeachment inquiry.” This, to me, has merit. It at least shows the Dems are not going to sit back and let this *crap* continue without some type of sanction. Based on what I’ve read, it may or may not lead to full impeachment actions, but it does bring things out into the open.

    As this site states:

    An impeachment inquiry does not guarantee that Congress will hold an impeachment vote or remove Trump from office, but it’s the best way to air all of the evidence for the American people.

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    • Hello Nan. I read this morning that Jerry Nadler was asked if his committee was conducting an impeachment inquiry, and he answered

      House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.) said on Friday that his committee was “in effect” conducting an impeachment inquiry, even as he shied away from using that exact phrase.

      “The committee is exercising its authority to investigate all of these scandals and to decide what to do about them, which could include articles of impeachment,” said Nadler at a press conference. “Whether you call that an inquiry, or whatever you want to call that, that’s what we’ve been doing, and are doing, and will continue to do.

      So it seems we are all getting what we wanted. An inquiry hearings to find the truth and coverage for those Democrats in districts where they might have trouble justifying an impeachment inquiry hearings. Hugs

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      • I saw something to this effect as well. What bothers me is why isn’t there more attention being given to this “investigation?” And why isn’t it being given “official” status? Is it because (as discussed below) Pelosi is keeping a lid on things?

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    • Of course Pelosi is the head of the pack and of course it’s she who must move things along, but can we ignore that fact that the House Democrats are not exerting more pressure on her?

      As I indicated above, an inquiry seems to be a viable step since it brings things out into the open … things that tRumpsky wants to keep hidden. (Of course his supporters will call “foul” but truth is truth.)

      The fact that nothing is being done is disgusting and, IMO, extremely defeating for the Democratic Party.

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    • I doubt you will return to my blog to read this comment, but just in case … these two are laughable! Who are they, anyway? Certainly no one I’ve ever heard of.

      Oh wait! A little research turns up that Stefan Molyneux is a Canadian (truly someone who has first-hand knowledge of U.S. government) and Diana West is a “nationally syndicated conservative American columnist and author.”

      Oh yes. We should definitely watch and listen so we can discover the “Terrible Truth.”

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      • I’m convinced, after watching this finally argued, well-researched piece, that Mueller is awful and Trump is, well, God-like! Aren’t you!? I mean, COME ON, if anonymous people dropping tin-foil hat type videos on your blog can’t convince of how wrong you are about tRump and his ilk, who can, right? 🙂

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