Question for Atheists, Agnostics, Non-Believers, Etc.

While the following question may require using your strongest, most adept skills of imagination, I’m hoping you will give it your best shot …

If you were presented with incontrovertible* evidence
that a supernatural entity (i.e., a god) exists,
would your life change significantly?
If so, how?
If not, why not?

*Impossible to deny or disprove

P.S. I think the majority of people who frequent this blog are most familiar with the “Christian God” so while my inquiry is not limited to that god, it may be referenced for the sake of discussion.

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99 thoughts on “Question for Atheists, Agnostics, Non-Believers, Etc.

  1. Too bad we are limited to the supernatural being having to be god. I love the many different supernatural creatures said to exist and would have a different answer for them than I do the christian god. Nan I don’t think my life would change too much. I would want to find information and the evidence of this god and what it really is like. Not the old misunderstood stuff.

    The reason my life wouldn’t alter too much is the existence of the christian is not enough to cause me to worship it. I want no part of that god. Same with most of the gods I know if. They are only as moral as the people who created them way back when. Now if it is a deity I know nothing about, I would spend time finding the information on this god.

    I already live as the most moral best humanist person I can be. I try to practice all the things we equate with promoting the wellbeing of human race and the planet with all its creatures on it. So while I can improve and be a better person, as we all can, I don’t need a deity to do that so far, so won’t need one in the future. Hope this answers your question. Be well. Hugs

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  2. It would depend entirely on what sort of entity it was. If the evidence we found didn’t include anything about that, then we would need to try to figure out a reliable way to figure out what this entity is like, what it does, and what it wants from us.

    If we can’t figure that out, in a way where everybody can get the same answers, then I don’t see much difference from where we are now, and no point in changing our lives without better information. Perhaps Theology would become a lab science, but that’s about it.

    However, if that entity turned out to be anything like the christian biblegod, then he’s got some EXPLAINING to do!

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    • The analysis in your first paragraph sums it up well. And at this stage of the game, I think it would be a very difficult task — especially since existent humans seem to be so enamored with the Christian god.

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  3. While it is ne’er impossible for certain people to contemplate the existence of a supernatural power, it is likewise ne’er impossible for those same people to say how their lives might be different. For example, a belief in a supernatural power almost inevitably affects other belief systems which, if changed, would certainly affect one’s life. Take for example the question of what is the purpose of my life?

    P.S. Props for not linking this to the Christian god, as you would likely get a totally different response.

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    • I agree, it is a deep, almost unanswerable question. Yet philosophically, I thought it might stimulate some discussion.

      And I most definitely agree with your P.S. ๐Ÿ™‚

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  4. No. If such a critter could be shown to exist, then so what? The universe with such a critter in it would still be indisputably indifferent to me and humanity and this planet and all manner of critters who inhabit it, so quid pro quo: my indifference to such a divine critter would be justifiably equivalent.

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  5. If it didn’t require worship of some kind, which an honorable god would not, I don’t think my life would change. I would consider the facts involved. In the history of capriciousness, gods have always topped the list and should be avoided. If we did discover a real god at this point, he obviously wants little to do with us, as reality has shown to this point.

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    • Your last statement sounds sorta’ like an agnostic deist, e.g., a god might be “there” and might have even created this universe but has little interest in what happened/happens beyond that initial action.

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      • “If” he was discovered that would be my position I suppose. But I don’t believe there is any god at all. But “if” evidence were presented I would be open to change. I am not so right that I cannot make changes, unlike the apologists we know.

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    • When you were a Christian pastor, did you feel and teach that God required worship for His benefit, or that worship was for our benefit? It think in a deep sense, God requires nothing from us at all because He is complete within Himself.

      Prayer, meditation, and worship are primarly for our growth and benefit, IMO.

      If God wants to share His life with us in Christ so that we can become more fully loving, and human, we still have a free choice if we want to jump into that life giving stream..

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      • I think you have me confused with someone else. I was not a minister, but I get your point. Meditation and mindfulness are healthy attributes for many people, but self deprecating worthlessness of your person is not healthy. To come before god in your state of zero self worth as a human sinner that is nothing without god, is a codependent/borderline spousal abuse type relationship which drives the need for worship to stay in his love and grace giving self worth at his disposal. Not your own. People are awesome enough without demeaning behavior to get in ones good graces.

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        • GREAT explanation Jim! The empowerment goes BACK to where it belongs and then subsequently pushes us to be much more accountable because when then have complete ownership for our own words and behavior — not some fictional Proxy. Higher accountability/ownership makes most all of us much better more whole human beings… for self and for humanity! ๐Ÿ˜‰ โค

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          • It is hard for them to see this in themselves. I remember a few weeks back, Mel went on this long diatribe about how worthless he was without Jesus. I commented that his self deprecation was unhealthy, and he flatly denied doing it, and it was all plain as day to me.

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            • Oh man, I could write another 6,000 word blog-post on just that clinical psychological aspect of disempowerment and unaccountability post-Savior/Christ. Then all of its subsequent symptomatic problems… starting first with depression or at the very least anxiety disorders! ๐Ÿ˜ฆ ๐Ÿ˜”

              It is true Jim, if you are MADE to think you are worthless, and that is repeatedly beaten into your psyche, you start to believe it. Medical and psychological studies have shown this to be undeniably true. To flip that into a postitive outlook, we are just as malleable for empowerment and self-confidence/esteem! Yet, that too can go too far as we’ve witnessed with many megalomaniacs throughout history and presently inside our Oval Office. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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            • Well I guess you have your next topic. Post in the morning? Haha. Can you imagine the restrictions of healthy living you could instill in your kids by teaching them this early on. I can hear it now, parents letting them know how worthless and dependent they are on god for every breath of air. Trump will never change, but if I could help 1 parent help 1 kid I’d write away forever.

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            • Jim, with all due respect, I believe you totally misunderstood what I was saying. There’s a difference between self-depreciation and self-realization of your own shortcomings. Otherwise, we can just end up full of ourselves, uncorrectable, and actually relationally infantile. I hope you would at least agree with the last sentence. There is nothing unhealthy about honest assessment.

              I personally believe that I have infinite worth to God, that He fully affirms me as His son, and He’s making me more fully human as I cooperate with Him. So I can recognize my shortcomings without unhealthy self-depreciation.

              I don’t expect you to understand or agree. I just wanted to clarify what I meant by what I said. And I don’t agree with “dirty worm” total depravity theology.

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  6. No, it would not change me.

    When I left Christianity, that was not a rejection of the idea of God. It was a rejection of religion, a rejection of the church, the rejection of a society of pious hypocrites.

    I’ve lived my life on humanist principles. I have tried to make the world a better place. And that’s enough for me, whether or not the gods approve.

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      • In a way, the forces of nature (superhuman but not supernatural) are like a god who does not require to be worshipped. We do not even matter to them, therefore If some supernatural entity would be evident, I am sure my life would not change.

        @Neil Rickert: I find your comment not only a good answer, it is almost a copy of the one I started writing but couldn’t finish because the wedding ceremony of my granddaughter Belรฉn urged me to shine my shoes and practice knotting a tie. Dancing and gastronomic activities kept us from sleep until 3 a.m., and at lunchtime we gathered again to say goodbye to five visitors from far away who stayed with us.
        Cheers, Federico
        .-

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  7. It depends. If the evidence came in the form of The Mighty One manifesting itself down here on Earth and issuing direct orders to us humans, then I suppose it would change my life. Otherwise, I’d probably live as I always have with the exception that I would stop arguing with believers.

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  8. No. I believe firmly that you can be a good person outside of any religion, so don’t see how that would change. I also believe that if such an entity existed, they would not be looking for worship or adoration, but satisfied that you were living a moral life.

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    • Hi Mags! Thank you so much for stopping by and sharing your thoughts.

      I agree with most of what you said, but I think one has to be careful using the term “moral” since so many associate it with the more “well-known god.”

      I hope you’ll visit again … and often.

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      • Yes, I agree with what you’re saying. I suppose I’ve just always used the word ‘moral as an umbrella term for being kind to your fellow humans. Although that does then open up the discussion to ‘what about other living things?’ My brain hurts now…

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  9. My very immediate response was “No, my life would not change significantly” if those were my only two options to choose. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I can define in my head what “change significantly” means to me and when I imagine your hypothetical scenario, today with my many decades of life-experience — with Earth, Nature, and fellow Homo sapiens — my response would definitely depend on the amplitude, the impact, the severity or greater joy (for billions like me) I would perceive. That/My perception is relative to the speed at which that “evidence” was occuring. ๐Ÿ™‚

    P.S. I would also think that my innate Fight-or-Flight… or Observe mechanisms would also contribute to my response or no response.

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    • Good point about the Fight-or-Flight. Hadn’t considered that perspective. Since many (most?) humans are so indoctrinated by the antics of the Christian god, the tendency to fear the idea of an actual, non-debatable existence of a supernatural entity could be pretty strong.

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      • For at least two millenia, Nan, we have been taught (brainwashed?) to FEAR this evil, Satanic, harsh, deceptive world/existence in which we live is to be perceived as an enemy… something to be destroyed or have lifetime disdain and apathy for. What a total waste, huh? :/

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  10. Nan, after reading all the comments up to this point, I couldn’t help but ponder these responses to how the human race would perceive, treat, describe the first hours of extra-terrestrial beings contacting us or arriving here at Earth (somewhat?) unannounced. ๐Ÿค” ๐Ÿ˜›

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    • Oh yes! That has always been an intriguing question to me as well. I “fear” — because that seems to be our “natural” response — we would not treat them kindly.

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    • Hello Professor. Now that occurrence would change my life drastically. Depending on the actions and motives of the ET’s, I would either be really in high joy or deep despair. I would be glued to the news and to all the talking heads. If possible I would want to ask them questions and meet them. Hugs

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      • See Scottie, that too is 9 out of 10 times MY probable greeting to them. And I completely realize that could easily be my quick demise of life/death. But I’ve already sorted out quite well, quite contently my impending death anyway. ๐Ÿ˜‰ โค

        I have learned something that is GLARINGLY obvious to total strangers meeting…

        and that is things almost always do NOT go well if you are presenting an aggressive, armed, trigger-happy(?), twitchy-jumpy posture to someone or something. Then again, that's my limited experience only on planet Earth with other Homo sapiens. Hahahaha! ๐Ÿคฃ And so hence, I have no reason whatsoever — other than microbial infection — to be initially threatened by ET's.

        It'd be my luck the damn things were straight from the Alien movie series!! ๐Ÿคช

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      • I really hadn’t considered the “supernatural entity” I referenced in my post as possibly being an extraterrestrial being, but actually, that’s an intriguing thought. I mean, who’s to say (in fact, some have) that we could be the product of creation by such a being (or beings)?

        And if this were true, it/they might very well decide to visit us at some point in time … and would it not be highly possible (probable?) that many would see it/them as “god”?

        So then, the question I asked … would your life change significantly … becomes even more relevant.

        Hmmm.

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    • Professor, in addition to the likelihood that humanity would meet visiting E.T.s with hostility, I imagine some of us would want to mate with them! I’m reminded of Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World” and the Fanny Crowne character. Personally, I’d have to see what the alien females look like first – lol! ๐Ÿ˜€

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  11. If I confine discussion to a Christian God, rather than opening it out to cover gods of other traditions, I would need to know which Christian God. Is this entity more like the American Southern Baptist God, or is it more like that of the Liberal Quaker tradition? Either way it’s going to change what I believe, but it’s not going to change what I value, but if it turned out to be the former, you can count me in seeking out and joining the ranks of those opposing said God.

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  12. Going from a nonevident God right now to a revealed god, I would probably start with being angry. I would have lots of questions like “where have you been?” or “why did you make everything so confusing that we all had the wrong idea of who you were?” If I had started out life with this “known” good, then I’d probably be more reverent and respectful and not irritated and judgemental of this all powerful being. I don’t think life would change much because morals transcend religion so we wouldn’t need a law-giver. It would just explain a lot of the “why’s” of life.

    If this newly discovered god offered an eternity of paradise and reward, then maybe people would have something to look forward to beyond this life, but it shouldn’t change how we interact with people in this life. We shouldn’t say things like the Christians love to say like ‘ this world has nothing for me. I’m waiting on the world to come.” That’s always seemed like a slap in the face of God to me. ” This world you created for us isn’t good enough. Give us a better one.”

    I used to think confirmation of God would make things different. You know, maybe make things better and put things into perspective. But now that I no longer believe, if I went back to believing, I’m not sure the impact to my life would be noticable.

    Unless this God comes out and gets rid of war, hunger, discrimination, hatred and all of the other atrocities we see in this world, I probably wouldn’t give up my time to worship this God who, up to this point, has seemed uninterested in us.

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    • It’s evident that many find it difficult to imagine a “neutral” god since the indoctrination of the “bible” god runs deep. For example, you mention “worship.” Perhaps this god would not require reverence. Instead, its primary purpose would be as you suggested … to remove war, hunger, hatred, etc. and establish true peace among humankind.

      I think many of us might even welcome such a god …

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      • @ Nan. Any advanced being that was willing to help / assist the human race and the planet is welcome but would such a being wish to be called god? I think that is a problem because it shows a superiority complex. We already have enough overly large egos here now.

        I found this today and thought it may go with your post. Hugs

        Arthur C Clarke was a brilliant futurist and writer, but he is probably most widely known for the third of his famous three laws, “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”

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        • Scottie, WE are the ones who would tag on the title of “god.” It could very well simply be a “force” … a “presence.” Something that each of knows/feels exists, but plays no “dictatorship” role as the Christian god is known to do.

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      • True. I am very well indoctrinated with the Christian idea of who God is. That God either has a huge ego or low self-esteem. He wants to hear people tell him constantly how great he is. Isn’t being “God” enough? Why does he need his creation to tell him that he’s the best? I mean, I make a mean meatloaf but I don’t think I want it telling me how great I am.

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  13. My life wouldn’t change that much. If it was the Christian god, I’d be disappointed that we didn’t get a better god…a kinder, gentler, all inclusive god. One that genuinely cared and would never dream up a concept of hell, original sin and the like. So I wouldn’t pay him much mind and just go on about my life trying to be a decent person and feel grateful for all I had and the beauty and grandeur of nature.

    And speaking of nature, it would be more evidence of evolution, as this petty god could not have created such a magnificent thing as nature and have been all concerned with floods, famine, disease and killing whole cultures.

    And if it was just a creative force type of god, maybe quantum physics etc., then that would be ok because in essence that would be science for the most part.

    It really boils down to either no god or a terrible god (as is evident according to religion) and yes I’d be extremely disappointed but not afraid, because there’d be nothing that could be done about it. It would be like having a terrible parent…just bad luck.

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    • As I mentioned to Ben, it’s difficult for many of us to get away from the concept of the “Christian” god. His existence is deeply embedded within much of history and continues to this day.

      Yet if we can get past this belief, perhaps we can imagine what it would be like to experience a truly benevolent being who wants only the best for us.

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  14. I’m very comfortable with the “god” concept in scientific pantheism. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least to find out that “all is god.” In fact, it would add further explanation to the mystery and majesty present both in the universe and at the individual level (things like imagination, irony, poetic justice, love, premonition, coincidence, etc.) Admittedly, the name of this kind of god could still be “science.” There are probably depths upon depths of science that we have yet to discover, ones that might ultimately explain “ghosts,” or other evidence of a supernatural realm.

    Conversely, if I discovered that the Christian god was real, I would get right on staging a revolution. I would hope that other gods were real, too, so we could unite and fight. I would wholeheartedly refuse to bow to a pompous and self-indulgent god who condoned genocide, self-loathing, and the physical and emotional abuse of his child/children. I would hope we could end up with a caring, pagan, Mother Earth-type goddess, who would be pretty hands-off when it came to individuality, choice, diverse beliefs, opinions, sexual orientations, and lifestyles, but would be a badass at preventing cruelty, whether towards oneself, others, or our earth.

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  15. Nan, if it demonstrated itself as a vengeful god out to destroy the human species – and considering what we’ve done with our planet, it would have just cause – I would definitely have to re-think ways of survival for myself and loved ones.

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    • When I asked the question, I really wasn’t envisioning a “vengeful god,” but I suppose there’s always that possibility. I would tend to think if this were the case, humans would be pretty much eliminated and this god would start all over again. Perhaps?

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        • I agree. But as I pointed out in my post, the “god” I was asking readers to imagine was not the bible god. I realize most of us are so indoctrinated by Christianity (and its roots), it’s difficult to get away from that god, but this is exactly what I was hoping we could do.

          What might help is to go back to “the beginning” and “assume” there truly was a god that made the universe. What if this god suddenly revealed itself? How would we react?

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  16. I think most of this lot above are way too trusting and living in La La land.
    As you said we could reference the Christian god – if this turned out to be the deity in question and bearing in mind what the bible reveals about this capricious monster I would be messing myself!

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  17. As many others said, it would entirely depend on the God’s nature — what is it like? What does it want, if anything?

    If it’s the God of the Bible, I would look for a way to mount a war against it. *That* God is utterly immoral, despicable, and ought to be shunned and (if possible) defeated. (The same is true for the God of the Koran, which purports to be the same as the God of the Bible.)

    If it is the God of Thomas Paine, who set the wheels of the universe in motion, hopes we’re curious and kind, and otherwise leaves us alone, then it doesn’t change my life in any way.

    If it is some as-of-yet unmentioned God who is moral, helpful, consistent, etc., then I would desire communication with such a being.

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  18. I just can’t get past the “impossible to deny” part. I fear I would remain ever suspicious that the proof was fudged somehow. That makes more sense than there really being a god.

    Yes it would change my life. As I’d be busy trying to sniff out the damn fraud ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I loved Neil Rickerts comment though, that is very much how I feel about religion and its adherents.

    …and if somehow this god was real and turns out it was was the mighty asshole x-ian god, I would have no fear for I drive an iron chariot!

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  19. It would really depend on what this being was and was like. If effing Yahweh showed up, I guarantee my life would change as I would be running for the hills. That asshole doesn’t care who he kills or maims to make a point to a few “followers.” Just keep clicking “Like” and hope he goes away.

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  20. If YHWH, Jesus or the holiest ghost of them all existed and I had undeniable evidence that they did, I still wouldn’t bow a knee or speak a tongue in their direction. They are assholes. Assholes are power hungry, abusive turds. They don’t deserve my devotion. I know….shocking. ๐Ÿ‘ฟ All hail the demon vampire devil baby.

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    • Mermaids, OTOH, I may have to worship if they were actually real (and not manatees). I love swimming. I love water. I love the moon and singing. I love how they have no genitalia, but are freakin’ pin up girls.

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      • @Charity when we lived in West Palm Beach we lived only a block from the intercoastal water way. So almost daily we walk / rode the path along the waterway. every time we would see manatees. Many dock owners would leave brooms on their docks so if you saw a manatee you would hang the broom in the water, and the manatee would then surface and rub themselves on the broom. I have done it. It is weird at first but in a way it is like petting a cat or dog. It gives both them and you a grand feeling. Then the manatee would go down under the water and toward the next dock. Hugs

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    • Hello Charity I hope all is well for you and your family. I have not seen much of you lately and I have to admit I have worried. You have so much going on, you have such young children to protect from the religious community I understand when you take time away. I just am glad to see you comment . Hugs

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  21. I think my life has changed over time knowing God in many positive ways. Lately, I’ve been meditating on this portion of Scripture from Micah 6, and it’s implications for my life in our particular time and culture.

    โ€ฆ7Does the LORD take delight in thousands of rams, In ten thousand rivers of oil? Shall I present my firstborn for my rebellious acts, The fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?

    8He has told you, O man, what is good; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God?

    Speaking as a Christian believer, even apart from Christ’s work in us making us more loving, more deeply human..I also think the things that we meditate on, and how we intentionally focus our mind, make a powerful impact. Right now, I’m focusing on justice and kindness.

    I think that also reflects worship to God.

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    • Rebecca, again I’m requesting that you stay on-topic. Your personal relationship with your God and Christ have nothing to do with the subject of this post.

      Thanks for understanding.

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      • You’re right. I was trying to reframe the question to my situation as a theist, and thinking about the difference a knowledge of God has made in my life over time.

        But, I guess I have to bow out of this thread as I’m not agnostic or atheist. There will be other chances to talk. Need to just stay off the internet for awhile and rest my typing fingers. ๐Ÿ™‚

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  22. […] would your life change significantly?

    That depends entirely on the dude/dudette(s) whose existence is proven beyond doubt.

    And of course, pure existence is not a good reason to believe in a god. It might encourage them.
    My table exists. I don’t walk around singing “Oh mighty table which holdeth my coffee cup, be kind today and don’t hurt my poor toe again!”

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  23. Yes it will change, because than we can directly answer him why don’t you cancel out all the false god at once and make peace in the world because there are more people dying out from religion than from cancer. Where were you before, were am i supposed to believe in all crazy stuffs to find out your presence, i mean you just gave us two options either to believe in you or go to hell. If there is really a creator we don’t have and will not have enough knowledge to go inside his brain and see what is he really saying. So the situation you mentioned is not possible if he was to visit us he would have visited a long time ago.

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    • Hello aaryaman! Thank you for stopping by and leaving your thoughts on this topic.

      From your comment, you seem to be referencing the “Christian God,” whereas I was imagining more of a “neutral” god. Also, there’s no guarantees any god that might “appear” would talk to us. It may simply make its presence known through some sort of world-wide “event” but then never be seen or heard from again — except perhaps, as some have indicated, it might perform some kind of action that would cause humans to seek peace and harmony.

      In any case, I thought it was an interesting “case study” and appreciate your input.

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      • Nope, not Christian god. God of each religion say either worship me or go to hell. I think you are just seeing everyone’s reply as Christians perspective but everyone is not replying from Christians perspective, i am hindu and if god show up now, then i am sorry it’s too late.

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        • I’m not aware that every god says worship or hell … but I’m not an expert in the matter so you could be correct. Obviously you would know about the Hindu god. ๐Ÿ˜‰

          When I wrote this post, I was hoping people would try to imagine a “neutral” god. It’s a difficult task, to be sure, since most of us have been indoctrinated by the idea that most (all?) gods are looking for worship and obedience … or else.

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          • But if there was a neutral god he would have seen these cold wars between religions and would have came to establish a neutral religion. But we can’t see him and if he has to come at this point of time then i am sorry he is very late. You can expect this kind of reaction from people now.

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