As it turned out, my few words resulted in a rather lengthy discussion between Leroy and myself, and before I knew it, the hour had grown late and I was having difficulty focusing on the issue at hand. I decided to postpone further discussion until today.
As the topic of John’s post had invited considerable discussion, his blog page was becoming more and more difficult to load. Thus, I decided to transfer the pertinent comments between Leroy and myself to my own blog
Posted below is what had ensued up to the point I had to leave. Hopefully Leroy will visit and we can finish our discussion (if that’s even possible considering the subject). I have omitted some remarks in the interest of space, but tried to reference those that pertained to our discussion.
LEROY (in answer to John): I already answered you. YES. In the context taken. Abraham was tested. Isaac lives and Lindsay hears Satan and is a murder. Abraham is God’s chosen and his dissidents multiplied. Satan speaks in Gods name, we are warned in the Bible of his wiles, the insane hear Satan and kill their children and you put forth propaganda , Satan’s ally. Again with your twisted tales.
ME: Not only do the insane hear Satan, but they believe in him too.
LEROY: Mental illness is very real Nan and I feel for their suffering. Shit happens and nothing is guaranteed perfect these days. If a mentally ill person says God told me then the only explanation is Satan since God has never commanded someone kill their child. John likes to twist Scripture, but it is a fact Abraham did not kill his child.
“Be on your guard and stay awake. Your enemy, the devil, is like a roaring lion, sneaking around to find someone to attack.” 1 Peter 5:8 (CEV)
ME: Obviously you missed the point of my comment. Read it again.
LEROY: Yea Nan, I don’t know really if anyone hearing Satan actually acknowledges they are, like you imply. I don’t “think they believe in him too” either. Mental illness sucks. Mothers drowning their kids suck. Anyone killing their kids sucks.
I would add Nan, that a lot of hurt souls like to swap words. They exchange the word sacrifice for kill. They use the mentally ill to support their false interpretations. It’s sad really, the lost and forsaken, forever to wander, forever to fight and struggle with the Wall.
ME: Once again Leroy. It appears YOU believe Satan exists. Now go back and read my comment again.
LEROY: Finally my slow self gets it Nan. You imply “only the insane hear Satan, and believe in him too”. ME.
Yet you are wrong. Yes. I believe in Satan and his wiles, but I am far from insane.
ME: Do you agree that the insane see things, hear things, sometimes talk to things that are not there? If so, consider this. Satan does not exist. He is a creation of the apocalytic writers during the intertestamental period. The early Jews did not believe in the “satan” that “exists” in the Christian world today. He came “into being” after the Exile and is nothing but a figment of imagination.
Thus, if you believe in Satan, what does that say about you?
LEROY: Come on Nan, Satan does not exist, really. So God does not exist and the whole of the Bible is fable. If that is what you believe then say so, so we have starting point. It’s all a fable in your mind, right?
What you claim, specifically, is false. It is a lie you read somewhere.
Even though Satan is first mentioned by name in Job, previous historical accounts record his actions (see Genesis 3, when Satan influenced the serpent, and Genesis 4 where Cain belonged to him (1 John 3:12).
You are a bit more crafty than John, not quoting Scripture, but lies show themselves out, eventually.
In the New Testament, other names reveal more about Satan’s current nature. Devil (diabolos) means “false accuser, Satan, slanderer” in Greek and is the word from which the English word diabolical is formed. Satan is called a dragon in Revelation 12:9 and 20:2, as well as the “evil one” in several places. Revelation 12:9 calls him “that ancient serpent” or “serpent of old,” and Matthew 4:3 calls him the “tempter.” Other names for Satan include Abaddon (destruction), Apollyon (destroyer, Revelation 9:11), Beelzebub or Beelzebul (Matthew 12:27) and Belial (2 Corinthians 6:15). Satan is also referred to as the god of this world/age (2 Corinthians 4:4), prince of this world (John 12:31), and father of lies (John 8:44).
ME: I would LOVE to respond, Leroy, but my brain is tired. I will say this and may say more tomorrow so stay tuned. I’m not speaking “from the hip” as I spent considerable time doing research on the birth and existence of Satan (along with several other subjects) so I know what I’m talking about. You are speaking from the Christian POV, which is incorrect but is etched into the minds of Christians by hundreds of years of indoctrination. More tomorrow (if John will allow me the space). Toodles.
I invite Leroy and any interested readers to go here where I will elaborate on the research (the “more tomorrow”) I did related to the existence of Satan.